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--- TASK BEGIN ---
# Meeting Action Items Extraction for Michal
You are analyzing meeting transcripts to extract action items specifically for a person named **Michal**.
## Input Files
The `input/` directory contains JSON files with meeting transcripts. Each file has the following structure:
- `title` - Meeting title
- `timestamp` - Meeting date in ISO format
- `raw_data.room_name` - Room/channel name
- `raw_data.short_summary` - Brief summary
- `raw_data.long_summary` - Detailed summary
- `raw_data.transcript` - Full conversation transcript
## Your Task
For each JSON file in the `input/` directory, extract **all action items assigned to or involving Michal**.
Check for variations like "Michal", "michal", "Michael", "Micha��".
## Output Format
Create corresponding JSON files in the current directory with the same names as the input files (e.g., `1.json`, `2.json`, etc.).
Each output file must follow this exact schema:
```json
{
"action_items": [
{"action_item": "Description of task for Michal", "deadline": null},
{"action_item": "Another task with date", "deadline": "2025-12-20"},
{"action_item": "Task with datetime", "deadline": "2025-12-20T10:00:00"}
]
}
```
## Action Item Fields
- **action_item**: A clear description of what Michal needs to do
- **deadline**: Any mentioned deadline in ISO 8601 format (e.g., "2025-12-20" or "2025-12-20T10:00:00"), or null if not specified
## Important Guidelines
- **Be conservative**. Only create an action item if you're sure it stems from the conversation and is clearly assigned to or involves Michal.
- Include all commitments, tasks, and follow-ups for Michal that are explicitly mentioned in the meeting.
- Deadlines must be in valid ISO 8601 format (date only like "2025-12-20" or full datetime like "2025-12-20T10:00:00")
- If Michal has no action items in a meeting, return an empty action_items array: `{"action_items": []}`
PS: You are currently working in an automated system and cannot ask any questions or have back and forth with a user.
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Nik: Hey Igor, what's up?
Nik: Hey, Michal, how are you?
michal: I'm good.
michal: I'm good.
Nik: Good to hear.
Igor: Joseph.
Nik: Hey Jose, how are you?
Jose: Hey there.
Jose: Can you hear me?
Nik: Yes.
Igor: Yeah.
Nik: I'm adjusted being Matt to you.
Nik: Matthew.
Nik: I don't know if Juan is gonna be coming.
Nik: He was online 59 minutes ago.
Nik: I'm not sure if he's available.
Nik: Oh, he I think he's he posted something on yeah, so he is sick today.
Nik: So yeah let me just also do Hey everyone.
Mathieu: Yeah, sorry.
Mathieu: Let's go.
Mathieu: How do we start this one?
Nik: I guess we can start with the updates and then move to the project management stuff if that works for you guys.
Mathieu: Yep, you just change something with your MIC gain.
michal: It gets it gets very loud.
Nik: Oh sorry, oh oh, I see.
Nik: I was trying to increase the volume of my speaker and I accidentally increased the volume of my mic.
Mathieu: Thank you for the string so here.
Nik: I'm sorry.
Nik: I didn't mean to do that.
Mathieu: I will go first very fast.
Mathieu: We got a meeting with Nick on Friday to confirm some stuff with Max.
Mathieu: On the part that concern my part is we want to have a way in the internal AI project to whitelist or blacklist some domain.
Mathieu: So I did an experimentation with the script proxy where you capture every request and you have a web interface.
Mathieu: So I showed that last week.
Mathieu: Um this is good enough for Max to to use the platform, therefore I'm going to fix uh to to make the the Vibecode uh better, uh like from scratch almost.
Mathieu: Uh just Squid proxy cannot handle anything else than HTTPS and in Data Index we connect through EMAP to get the email.
Mathieu: So the solution doesn't work, but the
Mathieu: principles stay and the web uh UI stay, etc.
Mathieu: So It's just a matter of moving from Squid proxy to a SOX proxy.
Mathieu: I already did some analysis.
Mathieu: There is none that support SEL the way we want.
Mathieu: So Claude gave me a tiny implementation that fits just our case.
Mathieu: I'm going to double check that if there is not an open source solution easy to use instead.
Mathieu: I did the review of your tag, Nikita.
Mathieu: I think the pull request might be an merge.
Mathieu: Uh I will double check and uh I was uh I was late because I was on the Miral uh data index uh contact DB injection.
Nik: Oh.
Nik: Don't worry.
Mathieu: Uh that's it.
Mathieu: Uh that's for me.
Mathieu: Next one.
Mathieu: Under me I have Igor.
Mathieu: I have Igor.
Nik: Yeah, I'm gonna go last, just just so so you know.
Angel: It can go outcome.
Igor: Okay, uh so what's uh the main thing on me was and still is uh the documentation uh for Reflector.
Igor: Uh this there's a big part of documentation which is an initial installation uh that I have uh performed.
Igor: Uh I think I already uh reported about uh what exactly it entails.
Igor: Uh uh separate accounts for everything, separate uh EC two f Etc.
Igor: and installation from scratch as a first-time user.
Igor: And besides that, there are other documentation files that are need tending because I didn't check the rest of them that are written by Ella.
Igor: So I need to review and refine those.
Igor: Yeah.
Igor: And Matthio, I am waiting for your PR, uh review uh if you haven't uh sent it yet.
Mathieu: Yeah, I I need to to do it again because I I spend time but uh I didn't realize that was only one part of the documentation.
Mathieu: To me feels
Mathieu: weird to publish a website where like some page is just completely wrong.
Mathieu: So I know like we should consider the doc as something public, not just hey, don't look at anything, just look at the installation part, and then I need to be there to explain to the to the person different time zone, like hey, no, this is should Be like that.
Mathieu: This is what we do, et cetera.
Mathieu: It's like around if you remove the installation, the rest which give context on the project is not there yet.
Mathieu: So I feel it goes together.
Igor: Yeah yeah, I should have uh so uh from my side I should have uh explicitly mentioned uh uh you that look only at the installation part that's uh that's true.
Mathieu: So I will spend time to to to reduce uh the review.
Mathieu: I started, but not not fully, and I think I didn't send uh the review yet because it was incomplete.
Igor: Yeah, okay.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Thank you.
Igor: Uh from uh from my side another part uh I um for a long time I encountered uh Usability inconveniences in reflector and I have something to present to improve observability and retriability of the processes.
Igor: Not sure if we want to do it here.
Igor: So I can I I can do later in a another call.
Igor: Let's have it actually.
Igor: Okay.
Mathieu: Yeah, let's do the update and maybe we need a a reflector meeting.
Igor: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mathieu: Maybe not the internal app.
Igor: I would love to present something there.
Mathieu: Okay.
Igor: Right.
michal: I can go next.
michal: So my change is my change is now the contact DB now that data index can index contacts from contact DB.
michal: And we are also ingesting this for search.
michal: We are creating chunks.
michal: It detects edits.
michal: merges and and
michal: deletions and updates the the the chunks according accordingly.
michal: Next for me as as I understand will be the personal meeting summary and yeah it's it's a it's like still a bit unclear for me where that would live, whether that would be a part of Preflector or or the meeting prep uh application or Or all the contact debris that's coming or a complete disabling?
michal: That's a question for me.
Mathieu: I have a sensation two things on the contact DB ingestion in data index or are we meeting with the business where I say and Nick maybe you can chime in I want to what are all the angel VC from my database like We ingest uh I'm guessing you ingest only the contact data of the contact and uh contact DB from a contact and platform identity.
Mathieu: Do you do the enrichment part too?
michal: And no, no.
michal: I can do that if that's that's needed.
Mathieu: I b b because otherwise it will I feel it will be super limited, right?
Mathieu: If the goal is to use a little bit of semantic search, just of the name might not work at all.
Mathieu: Therefore, I would say enrichment data and I as a minimum.
Mathieu: Um and I don't know, Nick, about the social graph, like how this can be due to social graph, like what the kind of request can help here.
Nik: No, I think uh you're right that we should definitely include a Apollo search.
Nik: Oh, well, yeah, enrichment.
Nik: But I feel like ideally like whatever we kind of integrate in like whatever enrichment we integrate whatever like information we have about the contact, we should like also include it in the uh search index.
Nik: Because ultimately, you know, like we want to use all the information about the
Nik: contact possible, except for, I guess, posts for now, because it's unclear how we're gonna work with the posts.
Nik: But yeah, I mean, the way it would work is, I think, like, we can basically just use search index for requesting, like, making queries tied to, like, say, podcasts or.
Mathieu: Well the Okay, as for um no no no no no that that's my point like um I see the injection, I don't see how it will help for for the initial uh request, like why we did the injection.
Nik: Angel investors or something else and maybe like also have an LLM on top of it so it like uh shows it in a better format.
Nik: So like that was the MVP for like in my view for now.
michal: Okay, I can I can change that to include all all the information that we have from contact DB in in the chunk.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah, I mean Matthew, if you if you disagree, y feel free to chime in too.
Nik: It's it's fine.
Mathieu: We did the injection because there was some general query we wanted to do, like uh find all the V C uh investor or uh podcaster, and I don't understand how we meet uh that with just the way the injection is done.
Mathieu: That's what I was thinking, enrichment data.
Mathieu: I you talk about um the the little document and tweet attach.
Mathieu: It's maybe something like Miral doesn't fully know or understand this part because ah okay okay okay but it is I it's not attached to contact, but the way uh Miral, uh tell me if I'm wrong.
Nik: Well, no, no, so that's what I'm saying, like posts should not be attached because it's going to be confusing.
Mathieu: API documents is uh indexed by search index, right?
michal: Uh APA documents.
michal: I I don't think so.
michal: I haven't written an uh a chunk a chunk a chunker for that.
Mathieu: Ah okay, okay, so maybe not.
Nik: For now we don't need it and also I don't think these documents are gonna be that helpful to be honest because those documents like for example there's gonna be a tweet or a LinkedIn post talking about you know like oh uh congratulations on your promotion or something or like uh you know I got promoted at this company or I got a new job.
Nik: Well I mean I got a new job is a good post.
Nik: Maybe it could be informative but like there's gonna be a lot of spam there too.
Nik: Or like spa spam, but like unrelated content, and I feel like it's just not gonna help us that much.
Nik: I think we would have to uh come up with a more complex pipeline to filter out those posts first.
Nik: And I feel like for the MVP that would be an overkill.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: So maybe we should start with building an MVP first, just to see like if if this is something that's useful.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Okay.
michal: Is is the entity type oh sorry, a quick question.
Mathieu: As for sorry.
michal: Is the entity type of API document a document entity?
Mathieu: Ah, yes.
michal: Okay, so I think it should be uh interested into search uh because there is a chunker for uh the document entity.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: That would make sense, yeah.
Mathieu: So something to look at, because as you say, there is a lot of spam when you run social graph.
Mathieu: There is no way to differentiate the document that are legitimately from, for example, HDO, right?
Mathieu: Or the document coming from Social Graph.
Mathieu: Yeah, except saying I don't want API
Mathieu: document.
Nik: As a side note, I also wanted to mention that this could be useful for Creatrix as well, because if we have search index for Creatrix, I mean like we can use data index in Creatrix, right?
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Like it's not like a proprietary product or anything.
Nik: So this is a way for us to start deploying our foundational tools in real life projects, which is exactly the point of why we're building this.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: And I think this would be used in Creatrix in a way that, like, well, I mean, in Creatrix, it's not that important whether we have a first hop connection, second hop connection, like some random connection in general.
Nik: We just want to search across contexts very easily.
Nik: And so I feel like that could, I mean, we don't know what the prod the end product is going to be.
Nik: We haven't had a conversation, but I feel like there it will be an important component.
Nik: So this is super useful.
Mathieu: And the other things that you were saying, Miral, about um meeting, um uh personal meeting summary.
Mathieu: I still have the sensation that y it cannot be in reflector by design, uh as being open source and uh and being online and then what all of the sudden yeah, go ahead.
Nik: Can it just be a webhook?
Nik: Like, we already have the reflector webhook and we can have like an NAA flow.
Nik: I mean, Sergei has already built something like that.
Nik: I mean, we can make it more complex in a way that like we can have a more complex flow.
Nik: We can call the personal summary API as opposed to just a regular one with like, oh, contact ID is not available in reflector, right?
Mathieu: Uh I
Nik: Or I guess, no, it
Nik: is available now.
Mathieu: Yeah, exactly.
Mathieu: I I feel like all of this is uh one if I understand Sergei did um did a little uh demo.
Mathieu: We need to validate if this is going to be uh good or not.
Mathieu: If it is and we want to implement it, then it can be built on top of the internal AI data index because this is him that uh i this is the stuff that we didn't just reflector.
Mathieu: We can have a webhook here, something like that index could have webhook that is linked to another app and or just triggers a thing is meeting prep.
Mathieu: Good enough, right?
Mathieu: Or meeting prep can have also its own ingestion system.
Mathieu: Just is there any new meeting?
Nik: I think so there are like two user stories inside of one, sort of.
Nik: I mean, maybe sub user stories, so to speak, because we had personal summary, which is just like a reflector like summary, but personalized, and we also have an action item list, which is sent to you via DM.
Nik: And so these are two different flows, in my opinion.
Nik: Not different flows, but like they're slightly different.
Nik: Uh and maybe they're gonna be like outputted in different ways, but I feel like personal summer summary is gonna be like a cent centralized kind of thing for all these kind of different personal summaries.
Nik: Maybe we could like even get the user to set the prompt, but I don't know yet.
Nik: Uh it depends on like how many use cases we have.
Mathieu: To me, I don't think it's it feels the same to me in a way that on one way you have reflector with action item or decision stuff that is just from the meeting and the other on the personal
Mathieu: uh summary you can have the same things uh being done but with the context of what you know so you can do overseas the same as a meeting prep etc so I I wonder um Or better the action item for you, or maybe for the team, will be in your personal summary and not just reflector without any other context.
Nik: Well, I mean, uh what I'm saying I guess maybe, maybe.
michal: Yeah.
Nik: Or maybe you could have like a check check mark, like send this to my DM as well or something.
Nik: I don't know.
Nik: But yeah, depends.
Nik: Depends.
Mathieu: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Mathieu: Well, let let's validate first.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Nik: I think, yeah, I think like ultimately it's all gonna live in personal summary, anyways.
Nik: So that's the main point.
Mathieu: And so one of the questions of Nihal that maybe we should just act today is where does the per personal summary live?
Mathieu: I have only one constraint here is the personal summary should be accessible in Data Index two.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: So it will be whatever we do the first one that will generate content that is back into data index.
Mathieu: And then there is a question about You have the meeting from reflector and you have the meeting personalized on onto it.
Mathieu: Um yeah, that's it.
Mathieu: Um yeah.
Nik: Should it be associated with the meeting itself?
Nik: Like, is there going to be a relationship?
Nik: Okay, cool.
Mathieu: We we have parent ID uh approach on that index.
Mathieu: So um it can be uh it can be like we push a new meeting, but the parent ID was the one uh from reflector.
Nik: Do we store transcripts as well?
Mathieu: That is uh good enough.
Mathieu: Yep.
Mathieu: It has everything.
Mathieu: It has a full transcript in WebVTT with a person attached and
Mathieu: it has uh the summary long and short.
michal: Yeah, it could just listen for new uh meeting entities in data index and uh compared to either I I I don't I don't know, new new entity type or just add the existing entity.
Mathieu: Work on top of that.
Mathieu: Uh edit is a thing that on data index we don't have at all.
Mathieu: So the implication behind an edition might uh be uh well, it's it might open some doors that is uh harder.
michal: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Let's see if we need uh that or not.
Mathieu: I will go the simplest one, like maybe just a pipeline that uh I'm not sure data index, but it feels like if you have a webhook that calls something aside that will just generate the summary, go back to data index.
michal: Okay.
Mathieu: Okay, do we want visualization?
Mathieu: If uh this is like we want visualization action at time or not, then maybe yes, it has to live into meeting prep because we like the meeting stuff like preparation, but also post uh post review, whatever.
Mathieu: Um Nobody, I still think that action item is the very first one that Max was saying, like sending a DM can uh let's validate.
Mathieu: If that is good enough, then yeah, we don't need the big things here.
Mathieu: Okay.
michal: Oh okay.
Mathieu: Next one.
Angel: Hello.
Angel: Well, hello guys.
Mathieu: Ronald.
Angel: But today currently we have the big models working.
Angel: Let me show you very quick.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Angel: Okay, well, currently we have step sick three two.
Angel: Yeah, it's working.
Angel: It's it looks fast, but maybe I want to take a look to the real performance of this.
Angel: Yeah, currently it is w working as um or using the spot uh spot pricing because yeah, you know, an hour of this is is well
Angel: m eight dollars, but using it the insert that we need for that on demand, it's tearing.
Angel: So uh if we want to test, it's it's a good idea to to use initially spot while we select one of the big models or I don't know two of them, or both of them, to work because, yeah, it it it's it's expensive, um but it they are working and we have well, you know how to deploy and uh deploy them if you want to uh and take a look.
Angel: Um yeah, today apart from that, I'm going to work um in some improvements in the uh provisioning framework because yeah, it's a pending task uh that has had been the prod the precise the productized set.
Angel: Uh yeah, basically that is my my update.
Mathieu: Do we have a GLM 4.5 air running on B300 constantly?
Mathieu: Or is it still B200?
Angel: Sorry, sorry, Matthew, which No, currently, no.
Mathieu: Do we have the G I will write it because maybe my English accent.
Mathieu: Sorry, GLM 4.5 Air.
Mathieu: Is it running on B300 all the time?
Angel: Currently, the only model that is working is forty-five air, the well, the the the two mhm.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Yes.
Angel: Yeah, but we have to or we should choose choose one of these to to to work.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: F f yeah, from what I I understand is the air version available all the time, the four dot six full version available just more in a shorter amount of time.
Angel: Okay.
Angel: Well, it's because Currently we have this.
Angel: Uh we have been using this during some months.
Angel: We have um let me check.
Angel: No, I'm gonna share again.
Angel: Sorry.
Angel: Uh let me let me check.
Nik: Are we using quantized versions of these or no?
Mathieu: What, Nick?
Nik: Are we
Nik: using like quantized versions of these?
Nik: I as in like not even quantized, but like what's the quantization there?
Angel: Okay we have well I'm not sure about that part but we we can I can take a look okay well yeah I I'm gonna check well we are using this one in in dev environment basically this is the Model that is running constantly.
Mathieu: Jerhal, Alhal.
Mathieu: Jeral, do you know?
Nik: I wonder I wonder if we can like use a lower quantization model so it like doesn't require as much compute.
Mathieu: Uh okay.
Angel: But we could promote.
Angel: Let me show you.
Angel: We have this one now.
Angel: We have this one.
Angel: Some of them I'm going to work today as well in some of them to the provision aid them because they are updated.
Angel: We have this one and this.
Angel: is that uh Danil word and it use let me check it use um for this this this kind of instance to to run so if we promote this uh well you know we we will have to use uh more money to for the model and Mm.
Mathieu: That
max: Wait, wha why does the four point five Air use four B two hundreds?
max: That's a shit ton of space.
Angel: Sorry, sorry Mats.
Angel: What is the question?
max: Wha why?
max: Like like w why is it that Daniel's version of the Air model needs four times the VRAM?
Angel: Ah, well well, I I I asked him about that, but it told me that we needed that kind of of GPU process to work with them.
max: Why, yeah, but why?
Angel: Mm well, I I'm not sure much really.
Angel: I'm not sure.
max: I think that's a pretty important, but
Angel: It uses more it uses more it uses more memories, right?
Angel: But I I don't understand
Angel: really why it it Mhm.
max: that doesn't that doesn't make any sense to me, like intuitively.
max: Why would that be the case?
Mathieu: Well what I remember what I remember from uh the experimentation with Mirad is like on the uh the memory required to have full context and multiple person we require more the more card.
Angel: Yeah, it it's it's it's strange, but it uses more.
Mathieu: Otherwise you will just uh use full memory and then it's blocked.
michal: Yeah, maybe Daniel Daniel was answering under the Uh like the uh the assumption that we that we were going to serve it or something and we needed full context.
Mathieu: Doesn't work.
michal: And if we don't need exactly full context uh then we should we we c should be able to run it on two or something.
max: But I mean, the GLM air is like a hundred gigs of VRAM for just for the model-ish or so, right?
michal: Um can't remember from the top of my head.
Angel: Well, I remember when I wanna was implementing this that i it I tried with um a smaller machine and it fails and then it told me that a requirement for this was this kind of machine.
Angel: But but yeah, as you can see it was because uh the the memory limit or something like that, but So so yeah, so w which should the maybe select or this one or GLM for sits uh okay, okay, yeah.
michal: Like it doesn't it it doesn't start at at all.
max: But yeah, but Hang on, hang on, hang on.
michal: It doesn't generate any any answers.
max: I don't feel like we have reached a satisfactory conclusion to this conversation.
max: Right?
max: Like the AIR model uses about 100 gigs of VRAM.
Angel: Mm-hmm.
max: The B200, a single instance,
Mathieu: Here, yeah,
Mathieu: Max.
max: I'm looking at it right now.
max: The B200 in a single instance uses 180 gigs of VRAM.
Mathieu: Yeah, but here, when when on the VRAM calculator, if I have a context of 124, it works on 1B200.
max: Yeah.
max: Yeah.
max: Yeah.
Mathieu: The problem we have when Miral was also trying to push the context and we were having in LibreChat like why at some point it was blocking.
Angel: Mm-hmm.
max: Yeah.
Mathieu: Here you can feel like ah this is about what 11,000 or something and then boom your your first card is full of memory.
Mathieu: So you need a second card.
Nik: But hold up hold on, Matthew, we we're not looking at the right model, I think, because I I think I saw FP eight precision uh on GLM four point nine five a yeah, but oh Q8, okay.
Mathieu: Yes.
Mathieu: I am 4.5 Q8 quantization.
Nik: Oh, okay, sorry, I wasn't looking I I was looking at K V cache quantization.
max: But it it it does the why would the KV cache be using double the precision of the inference quantization?
michal: Yeah, what about the key because
Mathieu: Yeah, no, okay, okay, Evan.
Mathieu: Okay, I put a little bit d down.
Mathieu: It just what you were saying why for CAR, you want full context, one user, full context of the stuff you need.
Mathieu: Four card.
max: Okay.
Mathieu: And you have only one user.
Mathieu: As soon as you you batch or you have uh like two users of with full, still doesn't work.
Mathieu: Uh how many?
Mathieu: Okay, with six card, you can have two user full context.
max: All right, I need to
Mathieu: But the way the way it works with V I think uh not VLLM, but the uh where VLLM is the same is like if there is a request coming and it cannot
Mathieu: do it, it will just buy uh queue it, so you wait.
Mathieu: But if we want to run full context with this model, we need Rockard.
max: um what the fuck um It's just very surprising to me, I guess, that that's the case.
max: But then okay, so I mean, realistically, I don't think the air is gonna perform very well on 100K cache, sorry, 100K context window sizes.
max: What is it at 64K?
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
max: Is it can you show me?
max: Okay, we're still talking more than two.
Mathieu: Ricardo.
max: Interesting.
max: And and what is it what is it, a thirty-two K?
max: Okay.
Mathieu: One is insufficient, two is required.
max: Interesting.
max: Interesting.
max: Okay.
max: And then uh a single B three hundred, is it enough?
Mathieu: I don't see that what I was trying to look here, but it's not on the list any.
max: Well, we can just use our brains, right?
max: 264 gigs versus what's a B300?
max: 288.
Mathieu: I don't know which costs less.
max: Yeah, it would fit on a so a 32K cache would work on a on a single B300.
max: Um without right.
Mathieu: Myself.
max: Um it would just just work.
max: Um okay that uh I guess I guess uh that's good to know.
max: Um the single B3 B200 is what, like five dollars an hour B300?
max: Hmm.
max: Um and oh it looks like they don't have they don't have the option of getting two H200s anymore.
max: Seems like computer's in high demand.
max: Okay.
max: Sorry for breaking in on this.
max: It's just that number raised my head.
Angel: Oh it's it's yeah, it's important.
Angel: So we have this option, maybe maybe doing the the changes in the maybe two or one, e two hundred or yeah, the different options.
Angel: But we have as well the GLM four seats, but it will use you know
Angel: more GPU, but uh I worked in the spot type of of instances.
Angel: The same for the DeepSeek one because it uses eight GPUs.
Angel: So maybe with them we can use spot instances to have maybe one of them or both of them and use uh the other small uh model working all the time.
Angel: And the spot may be in business hours initially.
Angel: I don't know if you agree on that, guys.
Angel: To to start to to use it because yeah, we have a a bunch of models, but we are not using really the all of them.
Mathieu: Yep.
Angel: And uh oh go on, Matthew.
Mathieu: I think the problem is about how how as a team, like, okay, there is a new model, um, how much time do we have to try it on what task and how do we evaluate?
Mathieu: Right, because like not all the projects have have evaluation and again is it's also about the time, so I think like how yeah, it's it's a little bit unclear that because also it's a it's a big risk to say hey let's move uh this project to use this model and see how it goes and then the model you decide to uh remove it.
Mathieu: So even if light LLM also have the way to have a fallback is like, okay, let's make the smart model use this one.
Mathieu: But if like on internal AI project or other project we start to move to a model that have some bugs, it can also have some friction of the experience.
Mathieu: So it's a little bit unclear how as an organization we can allocate some time to try models and feel like, hey, it's better or not for my project or not.
Angel: Yeah, maybe maybe w well we can
Angel: have in the team in the different modules that we are working uh some kind of spark task uh or yeah, some n P O C to check, okay, with this model uh it has a better b better performance or something like that.
Angel: And we can use initially this the on-demand instances to to evaluate that.
Angel: It's only Yeah, but it's good to have options.
Mathieu: But I I feel at the minimum, uh when you have one, you can pick me and I can add it into the evaluation uh system and maybe also there uh we could try all of our own on the task we do in internal AI, try to make a replica into the evaluation uh the common uh evaluation system.
Mathieu: Um yeah.
Mathieu: That's about it.
Angel: But yeah, we have to use it.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Angel: Thank you guys.
Nik: Out of curiosity, why aren't we using like int precision, for example, or like just lower precision?
Nik: Is it the performance significantly worse?
Nik: Because that would save a lot of compute.
Mathieu: Yeah, but uh it's back on the same and what Max tells us from a long time is uh without evaluation or do you know?
Mathieu: As like, okay, let's run one that uh is uh less uh A lot of contributions and it costs less, but how does it impact you on your tasks?
Mathieu: Are we making it the default?
Mathieu: And it's it's unclear.
Mathieu: That's why we need evaluation.
Nik: Well, the the first thing the first thing I would do is like not even uh look at our evaluations, but like j the general o performance comparisons, like the general metrics.
Nik: Uh like I would look at the original paper of uh the model and di its different quantizations, or maybe like a leaderboard on hugging pace
Nik: uh for different quantizations and compare those.
Nik: I think that would be a decent enough metric for us to tell whether this is worth it or not.
Nik: And then we can all, of course, like perform an evaluation.
michal: There is there there is a s small issue of uh compatibility of different quantization methods with uh fast inference engines like VLLM and SGLUNC.
Mathieu: With it?
michal: Like uh I think it's it's the GGUF, the most popular one, uh like world works seamlessly only with uh Lama CPP, which is pretty slow on multi GPO setups because it essentially just uses compute from one GPU.
michal: Uh But uh uh but I'm not fully up to date uh up to date on how this effort looks today because it changes from month to month.
Nik: Yep, I am not either.
Nik: So but I feel like that would save that would save some uh money and potentially like if there is a better way to run these models, better para parallelize them, maybe that would save some uh or that that would increase the speed as well, which is good.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Because even right now, like the speed is not comparable to like the like ChatGPT or Quad models.
Mathieu: I will add uh deep seek and uh and GLM four dot six on the LL and see how it goes.
Mathieu: Nex
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Mathieu: Why did I share this screen?
Mathieu: It's the wrong one.
Mathieu: Okay, last one.
Mathieu: No?
Mathieu: This one.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: So this is a code of LLM eval.
Mathieu: Normally you have a here task and what
Mathieu: we did last time is like take a number and you just wrote your folder and you give it a name and let's say well this one is complex from Miral let's take one simple.
Mathieu: Normally you should have you can have it installed if you need you have a task.md which is a prompt.
Mathieu: Right.
Mathieu: You wrote your prompts and then you have a list of tests, tests one, two, three, blah, blah, blah, and they will be executed in order.
Mathieu: Okay, that's it.
Nik: Sure.
Mathieu: To run it, you give in the dot of some stuff like where is the light LLM.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Mhm.
Mathieu: And here you give the list of the model you want.
Nik: Yeah, this this is easy.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: And so when you run it, normally it's just uh yeah, for example, this one, UV run Python LLM eval, you can even ah yeah, I forgot about that, you can even give the model you want to try and the path to the task.
Mathieu: But if you just run LLM eval without nothing, it will use the dot on and do uh everything.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Okay, and the result of that is here, enable.manalicolio, okay.
Mathieu: So I can search, for example, all the tests that is from our GLM.
Mathieu: Yeah, GLM.
Mathieu: Oh.
Angel: Thank you.
Mathieu: Yeah, okay.
Mathieu: No, it's like all the tests we did.
Mathieu: You can see sometimes like the model in the weekend doesn't run.
Mathieu: It was not running or it was blocking.
Mathieu: If I go on one, I can see all the tasks.
Mathieu: And for every task, I can go and check the outputs.
Mathieu: Like here, I will have the content of the session.
Mathieu: So I can have a look and I can have the content of my test.
Nik: Yep.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: So to me is
Mathieu: what I'm proposing.
Mathieu: If there is some task where you cannot evaluate with just a simple test script.
Mathieu: Right, the output of your um of the model, and if you require LLM as a judge, I would suggest today to just have a test that returns true, that there is no problem, but you you use yourself, you go on the on the task and you are going to look about the difference output according to the different model.
Angel: Yeah.
Mathieu: You use you as a judge.
Nik: But what what oh okay, I see.
Mathieu: Okay, just for today.
Nik: Uh that would be conf that would be a bit wouldn't that be a bit confusing to to Max?
Mathieu: Just for testing.
Nik: To someone who hasn't seen this like this, because this is not like normalized as in like um I mean, it it would feel weird, I feel like, is what I'm saying.
Mathieu: Well, it's it Okay, to me, it will be a first step to have this, and then as soon as somebody has LLM as a judge, then boom, you can add it into your test and it's there, or maybe Yeah, whatever.
Mathieu: If it was just a proposal, maybe yes, it's not good because it gives you wrong results.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Nik: Mm.
Mathieu: Yes.
Nik: Yeah, maybe maybe it should be separate maybe it should be a separate task or not no a separate tab on this evals that monadical.com where like you evaluate it yourself, you know, like you label it yourself, kind of.
Mathieu: This nine CPP foot gun.
Nik: And then it gives you the score across all the Yeah, yeah.
Mathieu: Well, this is just a UI that displays the HTML that are generated by all the different Kobe.
Mathieu: It's like the there is no database, nothing, it's just a bare
Mathieu: runner.
Nik: I see.
Mathieu: I feel like if we go human, I would prefer to put the development engineering to say one creates the LLM as a judge and that's it, not the human as a judge, right?
Nik: Well, yeah, I I mean like if ev evaluating LLM.
Nik: I mean, either way, a human would need to be involved in this.
Nik: That's the problem.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: So, which is why I'm kind of um Unsure whether we should like add such tasks because that would be confusing.
Nik: Oh some but Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: If yeah need more token yeah, I don't know I have no idea.
Mathieu: Maybe there is problem on the runner.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Things to try.
Mathieu: Anyway, that's the system.
Mathieu: Up to you if you want to add a task or not.
Mathieu: If it's something let's do it like that then.
Mathieu: If it's something that can be judged without an LM, we put it here.
Mathieu: If it's something that needs to be judged with an LM, just use the same system, but don't commit it.
Mathieu: Maybe put it into a branch and that's good enough.
Nik: Or maybe maybe have a oh yeah, sure.
Mathieu: That's it.
Nik: That works.
Nik: That works.
Nik: Um lots of stuff.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Let's disconnect.
Mathieu: Long meeting starting to be.
Mathieu: Thank you everyone for your time.
Nik: Bye bye.
Mathieu: Good luck.
michal: Thank you.
Mathieu: Bye.
michal: Bye.
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Nik: Hey Machu, how are you?
Mathieu: Fighting, and you I'm fighting.
Nik: Sorry?
Nik: Fighting.
Nik: Yeah, I'm doing good.
Mathieu: Is it wait at your place?
Mathieu: Starting by the way, look at that.
Nik: A little bit.
Nik: Uh crystal.
Mathieu: I try a crystal.
Mathieu: It's like because I don't remember Nick sent a tool to create multiple agents that works in top of flood code or whatever, but it's just Mac only.
Mathieu: I don't have a Mac.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: For example, the PR I sent this morning to add one for the index, one for removing the limitation of the MCP Mac content length is like they work into a work tree.
Mathieu: So I just put uh that as a work tree.
Mathieu: I tested them, but uh haven't created the PR.
Mathieu: And yes, I tried the security presentation before, uh kind of work.
Mathieu: So it's like you have one work tree per session you're doing, so you can work on multiple stuff.
Mathieu: The only thing I was uh going through is like when you want to boot up a new session.
Mathieu: If you already have an internal AI working, you need to have one working in your work tree too.
Mathieu: So it requires a little bit of setup.
Mathieu: But it's just like changing the port and changing the network name.
Mathieu: And I think it could be auto-generated from the branch or work tree we are.
Mathieu: And you could almost have a a work tree with a full environment working that you can spawn and try while working on different work tree.
Mathieu: That's kind of cool.
Nik: That's really cool actually.
Mathieu: That's it.
Nik: So this is like a multi-agent thing for like doing doing multiple things at the same time.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Mathieu: Yeah, exactly.
Mathieu: It's like some I was tackling some bugs that was into data index or whatever that
Mathieu: needed to be to be done anyway.
Mathieu: I just the way I was working before is I have one checkout of internal AI.
Mathieu: I can do only one task at a time and this kind of Task, we are kind of dumb, so it's good enough to put to an AI.
Mathieu: But so, what I need to check out another one.
Mathieu: So, I did have an internal AI two, and then I have a three and I have a four.
Mathieu: I tracked the work three before, but what is complicated is when you are into a work tree, your environment is separated and merging back is not super clear to me yet.
Mathieu: And this one just Like I had uh whatever with uh internal AI new session, you give a name, it will be the name of your work tree actually.
Mathieu: I it's funny, like you can even try multiple sessions with the same prompt for whatever reason, like if you want to maybe generate five different front end, you know.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Nik: Makes sense, yeah.
Nik: That's pretty cool, actually, yeah.
Mathieu: Uh you put you put your initial task, you select your uh your assistant, clotcode or codex, it can you can select even the model.
Mathieu: The permission mode, if you approve or you skip, you do everything.
Mathieu: The base branch you're working on.
Mathieu: And then the one I use is structure mode, where every time you finish a task, it does as a commit.
Mathieu: The default that they recommend I don't like is they bypass the hook of the commit.
Mathieu: I don't like it.
Mathieu: I prefer to have every commit passing or disable.
Mathieu: And you can even have a commit prompt template.
Mathieu: So honestly, it's quite nice to You know, try different things.
Nik: That's pretty nice, yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Nik: How
Nik: do you make sure there are no conflicts?
Nik: So, for example, like you're working on ContextDB on two features, I guess.
Mathieu: Work tree?
Nik: No, I mean, how do you make sure?
Mathieu: It's work tree.
Nik: Yeah, but how do you make sure, like, later on when you try to merge?
Nik: Like do you just work on two different things, kind of?
Nik: Try to not touch one part of them.
Mathieu: N no, but I mean, how how does it differ for having you and I working on uh on the same code base?
Nik: Yeah, yeah, no, sure, sure.
Nik: I understand.
Mathieu: So when conflict I like the first arrive first merge and the second if conflict has then you resolve it and you continue.
Mathieu: If it will be a little bit messy for example right now when I have one that search the contact and the other is also removing the email and from from the contact model and so I have to instruct like the the this one like no no no don't use email or phone from the contact model they are going to be gone anyway.
Mathieu: So it didn't have this information.
Mathieu: They are separate, but yeah.
Mathieu: I didn't review yet these two.
Mathieu: Just wanted to show in case like uh you know can be uh useful to start thinking also as different little agents working.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah, that's really interesting.
Nik: I should I should set it up crystal, right?
Nik: Uh is it open source?
Mathieu: I yeah, it's fully open source this one.
Nik: Cool.
Mathieu: Um the one I think code codium or something like that.
Mathieu: I tried another one this morning.
Mathieu: It was uh um a UI on top of open code.
Mathieu: What was nice is you can remotely connect to um your server server.
Mathieu: The downside is you need
Mathieu: to have everything prepared and it doesn't support Worktree or whatever.
Mathieu: It's just a layer on top of open code.
Mathieu: So you can only work to one project at a time.
Nik: Yeah, that makes sense.
Mathieu: Pro and cons, but I like the way they were doing the diff, like here you need to scroll to see what's done.
Mathieu: You have a prompt history on the right, but on the other one, the UI on top of open code, you could see the history like, hey, that's the user, that's the agent.
Mathieu: You can see the session of the agent and you can see what they are doing in the session.
Mathieu: There's like you have your top level session, but you have also all your agent under until they finish.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: I kind of like that because right now cloud code is a little bit when you spawn an agent, you don't have good visibility of what's inside.
Nik: That's true.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Sometimes like yeah.
Nik: I think like it's nice that they're coming up with a bunch of different solutions for like parallel kind of agent spawning and trying to like work in parallel on like multiple different tasks.
Nik: And at some point they're gonna land on something like that's more standardized, maybe.
Nik: Because right now it's like the experimentation stage, clearly.
Mathieu: Maybe.
Nik: Like this is not being used like super super often by like I mean like not as commonly, but I think it's being adopted slowly.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Nik: And I feel like in half a year maybe we're already gonna have like We're all going to have a bunch of agents.
Nik: We're going to have a team of engineers or whatever.
Mathieu: Yeah, that that's how I feel right now.
Mathieu: And I tried wrap terminal, for example.
Mathieu: It's still like one tab
Mathieu: per agent and it doesn't support work tree.
Mathieu: But what was cool is the way they give back the information.
Mathieu: And like every step of the way, you have the diff and you can command the diff and say, No, no, this part just I don't like this or redo that or blah blah.
Mathieu: You can just select and go.
Mathieu: It looks like uh in VS Code they do.
Mathieu: I never Use I don't use VS Code, so I don't know.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Uh but I miss that on some tools, like Zeditor, they don't do it.
Mathieu: So yeah, still trying thing we all are there, like trying to figure out what is the best workflow or to use the uh the LLM to make it work.
Mathieu: Like this day I'm using role playing, but uh like I'm the architect, I review, but then I use subagent to do the implementation or to do the review.
Mathieu: Others say use a subagent to um not clutter your context and do all the kind of pre-analysis.
Mathieu: And that's also what I do, but just that and the implementation you do on the main context.
Mathieu: Well, it's like who knows?
Mathieu: As long as it works at the end.
Nik: Yep.
Nik: Yeah, so what I'm starting to think right now, like regarding Max, is that maybe we should have scheduled like a calendar event for Max, because maybe he forgot because of that.
Mathieu: Uh well we ping I don't think he's forgot I think he was with David Kvy uh right now which is online nine minutes ago uh funny because it's exactly at five o'clock let's say and they were working together so David we should have met uh together we uh didn't got a chance it's push on Monday and Max at the
Nik: Okay.
Mathieu: same time was saying between the last meeting and the restaurant I have a I have another t, right?
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: So is is still connected or no, he's disconnected.
Nik: So let's see.
Nik: Let's see how uh whether we're gonna be able to meet up.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Yeah, idle.
Nik: Uh but I'm I'm not sure.
Mathieu: Yep, yep, yep.
Nik: Let's see.
Mathieu: No, he's still uh idle.
Nik: Might idle.
Mathieu: He he might just come back and say, Oh.
Nik: Okay.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Um let me check.
Nik: something real quick yeah so I I I guess like the main topics we should talk about like we we gotta like figure out what we're gonna like mention because there's a lot uh and I feel like we can't talk about like everything but maybe we can focus on specific things.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: Um so in your mind, what do you think are the top priorities?
Nik: Or I can go first if you want.
Mathieu: Well, validate the demo, validate where we need uh feedback.
Mathieu: Uh we have a ton of questions on the personal CRM, one uh that is required to be able to properly lead the work.
Mathieu: Uh there is question about the the demon security, like uh we need to validate to be able to continue or not.
Mathieu: So I would say feedback is kind of a blocker today, because we do a lot of assumptions, so let's clear them.
Nik: Mhm.
Nik: I agree.
Nik: I agree.
Nik: And also validate the um project management thing.
Nik: I think that would be nice too.
Nik: By the way, have you taken a look at the um at what I wrote for you?
Mathieu: It's open on my screen.
Mathieu: I still didn't uh change anything on that because I wanted to have the the next demo ready for right now and that's what I was
Mathieu: battling and I unfortunately didn't get it working.
Nik: Oh, that don't yeah yeah, don't worry.
Nik: I'm just yeah just curious like your thoughts if uh what I wrote was fine or not.
Mathieu: But no, no, all but you didn't wrote anything from security.
Mathieu: It's um it's a copy paste of um of uh the other, right?
Nik: No no no no no no.
Mathieu: Like the mission reduce scheduling cycle from days to minute from ANA.
Mathieu: So it's about CCCC.
Nik: Oh, did I did I paste the wrong link?
Nik: Or I'm not sure because okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Mathieu: No, it's it's clearly the one that is called security.
Nik: One second.
Nik: I think um can you try to open that like that link again?
Nik: Because uh the first time I sent the wrong link no no no, the first time I I sent the wrong link and then I like edited the message with the right link um let me check.
Mathieu: I just refreshed it.
Mathieu: Is it this one?
Nik: No, it's not this one.
Mathieu: Ah Okay, I just shared security.
Nik: Yeah, no, yours is completely like rewritten.
Nik: Let me check.
Nik: Where was it?
Mathieu: I got it.
Nik: Yep.
Mathieu: Maybe we should use tags if we yeah, okay okay I I got it I got it so I suggest to To wait half an hour, and if it's not there, then uh it's finished.
Nik: The one where I said I created the same block for you here, I edited that message.
Nik: Maybe open the message.
Nik: Like the link before I edi uh I edited it.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Nice.
Nik: Yeah, sorry, I yeah.
Nik: All right.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Network requests, yeah, so uh I I'm not sure, like, uh some of it I just kind of pipe coded to be honest.
Nik: Not bipecoded, but you know,
Mathieu: No, no,
Mathieu: no, no, no problem is No, no, I think that's that's exactly what we want.
Nik: took from Claude.
Nik: Especially tasks, I think the tasks, like the outcomes kinda make sense.
Nik: Uh maybe you can add another one if there's something's missing.
Mathieu: But how from the mission do we achieve the outcome?
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: This is where we need the feedback because well you you know my point of view, I don't think we are we didn't get any.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Well, that's you do that through tasks, right?
Nik: And like through feedback loop.
Nik: We did get some some feedback.
Nik: Actually, like we yeah, I wasn't sure how to like No, i if you scroll down like I also included the feedback that we got from Max on Tuesday or I don't remember w when we had that long meeting about security and like other things, but security was kinda the focal point.
Nik: Um, so I decided to include that as well.
Nik: Not sure if that's okay or not, but I I think that was like the first the ver like that was before you build the UI or UX.
Nik: Um uh okay, let's see what's Max is saying reading okay I guess we're not as interesting.
Mathieu: Ah well so just for the summary, yes, I think uh thank you, Max, we are not as interesting and we will still wait for you.
Nik: No, just kidding.
Mathieu: Uh Mr AI or LLM, make sure you include that in bold uh in the summary and in the quick recap.
Mathieu: It is very, very important.
Nik: Yeah, he's yeah, he's asking if we're still here.
Nik: Yeah, we're still here.
Mathieu: Why are you like this, Max?
Mathieu: Yes.
Mathieu: Summarization.
Mathieu: Can you figure out why Max is like this is not?
Mathieu: It's a very important topic.
Mathieu: Make sure you have
Mathieu: one subject about it and self-reflex.
Mathieu: Don't ask us and don't look at the transcript.
Mathieu: I wonder if this kind of prompt ejection is going to work.
Nik: Yeah, I I wonder like I wonder if we could have like a system like so one day in in a in like maybe in a few months once we build a personal CRM or something like once we have like all the context ingested and also search index and stuff like that on top uh under the LLM or the LLM on top of search index.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: Maybe we could like query different things about the company and like just like for fun, you know, like some random things and and just test it this way and see what the LLM what L what conclusion the LLM was gonna come up with.
Mathieu: But that is sometimes like what The initial goal of Reflector, so one of the initial goal was to be able to live do stuff in live, you know?
Mathieu: And even Recedivis project, they have some mock-up where they analyze live stream to be able to give some help for the caseworker, like also please elaborate on this subject, then the next one you should talk is about this.
Mathieu: So it's like you almost have a plan that you need to follow.
Mathieu: And I think the very, very, very first demo was about giving you feedback about you have a timing to go through the plan.
Mathieu: And if not all the subject has been talk, it reminds you aside, you know?
Mathieu: I joined the project after, but that was one of the main boots of Reflector.
Mathieu: And I think right now you comp we completely forgot this one because we are most on the post-processing and summarization.
Mathieu: On the live
Mathieu: transcription, it's much harder to do anyway.
Mathieu: But yeah.
Nik: Yeah, yeah.
Mathieu: If we knew, if we were having some kind of hoops or stuff like that on reflector, like it doesn't bother me in a meeting to actively say something.
Mathieu: That will be catch up later to then have an action.
Mathieu: But maybe if we have this kind of stuff, we need also to make sure like uh it's me, not uh you, for example, that could access to my stuff or like only the owner can uh of the room instruct.
Nik: So well yeah.
Nik: And that that's that's what that's what the personal summary is kind of for and that's what Sergei is kind of trying to test as well.
Nik: To an extent, at least we want to like DM the action items to the user of Reflector.
Nik: See how that Works and like, of course, like it would depend on so yeah.
Nik: So, for every person, we would DM them like their personal action item summary.
Nik: That would be like the ideal outcome, I think.
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Because, like, oh, you do this, you don't have to do anything, uh, or maybe you just like have to like read through some docs.
Nik: Uh, I have to do a lot of things, you know, like a lot of uh Action items, implement this, implement that with personal summary, right?
Mathieu: That is almost possible with um with the current set of reflector line.
Mathieu: I I know that the more you give context, the better, but With the new daily, we know who is the per who is who, we haven't have the user ID and therefore we have the email associated to it.
Mathieu: So if it's not for client work, for all the all ends, or have an internal AI meeting
Mathieu: or whatever, we can have a personalized uh action item or decision that the Zulipot or have an NAA could could send to the people.
Mathieu: We just don't have the mapping of the email to the Zulip ID of the person, but it's it's internal.
Nik: Yeah, but but but yeah, I'm curious what happens if we have a client in the call.
Nik: Like, do we still are we still able to associate at least like ourselves with emails?
Nik: Are we still trying to do the best job?
Nik: Or do we have like some sort of a fa fallback mechanism there that like uh doesn't associate I D's and and people at all?
Mathieu: We have a bot.
Mathieu: So in the NA8 bot, we could ask who is the user with this email or just have a like a cache database that is refreshed from time to time and we just use this.
Mathieu: That's good enough.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: We can have an API on Authentic and ask Authentic.
Mathieu: No, no, because Authentic is not linked to the lib.
Mathieu: Sorry.
Mathieu: So yeah, just this part.
Nik: Yeah, so like for example, if we have someone on Contact TB and that someone is not part of the company, but we have them on Contact T B and the their email is also in the call, then why I mean, oh, I guess we don't have we don't have their email on the call, right?
Nik: Yeah, there it might not be because there is no calendar event.
Mathieu: Uh-huh.
Nik: If there is a calendar event, it's fine.
Nik: Yeah, okay.
Nik: So actually give me a second.
Nik: I I'll be right back.
Nik: Okay.
Nik: Just Hey guys.
max: I see that.
max: Oh, it's half the hour.
max: Hey guys.
Mathieu: Hey in the car, okay.
max: Yeah, Harold David driving.
Mathieu: Hi, David.
max: Hello.
max: How's it
max: going?
max: So I have 15% battery.
max: So not a ton of time.
max: Apologies.
max: The guy that I was talking to, though, I think.
max: Definitely will want to work with him.
max: He gave me some really good ideas.
max: One of which is that for the data index, what he did was he had he built a JSON blob for everything that would get embedded.
max: JSON blob of tags that the language model thinks might be associated with that blob.
max: And also questions that the language model thinks a user might ask that this tool or this embedded document might be related to the qu like yeah, question that a person might ask for which this thing may be relevant, and then embeds that and then you takes that JSON log and puts it in Postgres JSON B column and then builds this nested index.
Nik: Right.
max: JSON VNSID index and then interpolates the regular embedding results with these keyword results that are based on language model generated keywords in a JSON lob.
max: And he said that the performance that he got was like way superior to just the raw embedding.
max: And he was good.
max: And he's working on a startup as a contractor.
Mathieu: Interesting.
max: that's trying to build uh a three thousand dollar personal computer that acts as a private personal information license.
max: But it's it's called but he's running he's working with Quinn three B.
max: So like he is working with like a much less powerful model and so the like quality of the rag is like way more important.
max: And he was able to get like pretty decent results with that strategy.
max: Also, he knows the CTO of D-Wave who said he he thinks might be a good for Greyhaven.
max: Um okay, you said my audio sh is shit.
Mathieu: Okay.
max: Let me let me just connect to these headphones.
max: Sorry guys for this this is my life.
max: All right, does this matter?
Mathieu: Yes.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Uh w we need to capture your attention for us to give us feedback and remove some blockers.
Mathieu: We have I'm not sure if it's okay or uh okay now I don't we don't hear you you're mute no yes no Yeah, I I think is uh the reduced magnus if it's activated it will have uh yeah, yeah.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, he said okay, I think.
max: One, two, three.
Nik: Uh yeah, w we we can't hear you at all.
Nik: Yeah, I think uh the the audio before was better.
Nik: Maybe like just unplug the have earbuds.
Nik: Oh, he he left.
Mathieu: It would have give is the exact same uh issue.
max: All right.
Mathieu: Okay.
max: Back to the number one.
max: If I turn noise reduction.
Nik: Yeah, I wonder if it's just the connection.
Mathieu: No, we don't hear you.
Mathieu: Whatever you did was okay.
Mathieu: Better at the start, better than nothing.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Nick, you go through?
Nik: All right.
Nik: Matthew, go ahead, show your security demo, first of all.
Nik: I think that's the most important part.
Mathieu: Okay, m Max, um use us the demo.
max: I saw the screenshots and I used the screenshots of the thing that you put topic in Zulup at like as I was pitching to this guy just now.
max: I literally pull up my phone and put the screenshots of what you did.
max: And I was like, isn't this cool?
max: And he was like, yeah, totally.
max: So that that's some positive feedback.
Mathieu: It i uh what you're talking is about the squid hack, the squid proxy.
max: Yeah.
Mathieu: Okay.
max: And the the interface that you put oh you think squid rocks
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: So Okay.
Mathieu: Um is it
Mathieu: enough or not to just know that one container want to access to one domain and the port, you don't have the URL, you don't have the content, you're just limited by that.
Mathieu: Do you think it's en it's enough for the security or not?
max: Can I can I can I I can like whitelist domains.
Mathieu: Yeah, you can, you can, that's that's the goal.
Mathieu: But it it's not because you whiteless m uh domain that is will be enough in a way that you don't know if it's a get or post.
max: It's good because you so so presumably right, like I think, I think we can.
Mathieu: We don't have analysis of whatever pass in it.
Mathieu: So for whatever reason, if you are afraid of personal data going out, we won't see.
max: Listed trusted domains, and then you could have like a separate system.
max: Uh, for in terms of like data exfiltration issues, um, okay, so I'm imagining three use cases, right?
max: One is the tool access to some data and the language model, and like maybe a web search endpoint, right?
max: And that's it.
max: Um In that use case, this sounds like it's perfectly efficient.
max: The model endpoint, presumably, if we want to be able to escalate to more powerful models, we probably want to have something that sits in front of the model proxy and looks at everything and does content-based filtering.
max: That doesn't need to be implemented yet.
max: I think I can promise that to people verbally, and we'll figure out how to do it later.
max: But if I can.
max: Have something that like literally just whitelists the number, whitelists how data can come out of this container.
max: That's like I guess for now, a little addition in mind.
Mathieu: Okay, so to just be clear, the
Mathieu: system today, it's just how far do we go right now, for example, if you go to contact DB and you click on reach and you don't have Apollo and Enter, actually ContactDB will just return nothing.
max: Yeah.
Mathieu: So it will say, we didn't find any information.
Mathieu: So because we so then you go back on the proxy, you see the two pending requests, you create a rule out of it, like one button to click.
Mathieu: You go back on ContactDB, you click again, you have the data because you allowed just for ContactDB the access of Apollo and Enter.
Mathieu: For the UX experience, you just know that there is this like a live action you did, okay?
Mathieu: Sometimes you can have a worker on the background that will require something that will fade silently.
Mathieu: So you need to check from time to time to see if you have pending requests.
max: Wh so why why could it could it be that some like a request that depends on uh a ne some sort of privilege can sit in a queue uh while it waits for the privilege uh the the privilege to be like uh checked on by the user?
Mathieu: One thing we were thinking.
Mathieu: Sorry.
Mathieu: Yes, we can.
Mathieu: That is
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Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Hey there. Yes,
Speaker 2: I can hear you. Yeah, let's just wait for the others. Everyone, I wonder I already pinged Matthew and Juan because Matthew also wanted to like listen in at least.
Speaker 2: Don't know if he's actually gonna join, but yeah, I think Juan wanted to like attend the meeting. I mean, we can. Talk about the personal CRM stuff, it's fine, I guess, because that was the initial plan.
Speaker 2: And then Juan was like, Oh, I want to join. But yeah, we can talk. So, what's I guess like we can just make it short in this case because One or my two are not here, and I don't want to like take too much time.
Speaker 2: So, how are you doing? Like, what's the update?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically, I integrated personal Intel. I'm calling it personal Intel just to make sure that it's fine. Because that's what the name Max had there.
Speaker 1: Into the Apple demon repo, I was fetching contacts from ContactDV threads using Data Index. I was working I was implementing the project as a thing that's like um unique for for personal Intel, is the one that has uh its database and stores the projects and has a a small growth API to manage those those projects.
Speaker 1: I was I wanted to show you like the creation of it and how it working, but the project is a mess and I'm not able to run it right now.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what I got. It's a little bit maybe there's some kind of redundancy between the UI we have on ContactDV, the data index UI, 'cause we're also Using some information here in this personal intel, but we'll like have more like will integrate more, we'll connect with projects and on
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. I'm still uh I'm still I still need to uh put the search index there or make the search work there. I was trying to uh generate a daily digest, but I got some errors with the LLM API key.
Speaker 1: So I left that for now. Just to like.
Speaker 2: Oh, like, is the API key not working or what's the issue? Maybe Matthew can help us. I mean, he's here because it's daily digest, right?
Speaker 2: Like that's something he worked on. I don't know if, like, Matthew, are you available to talk, or are you just going to listen?
Speaker 2: It's okay if you can just, if you just want to listen, it's like we don't.
Speaker 0: I can talk just in few minutes. I will need to start cooking. That's why I cannot be in front of my computer and uh and start being uh with your but uh yeah, I can interact.
Speaker 0: Okay,
Speaker 2: cool.
Speaker 0: John, I I was not having the audio as a start. I just hear mat mat you can help. What about?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So um we were just talking about um daily digest and how Jose was trying to int integrate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I was just trying to generate a digital digit digest to show on the new UI, but got this error that I don't invalid proxy server token pass.
Speaker 1: I tried a couple of tokens. I tried what you Matthew post some on Sulip. Um but yeah, it's not like that important, it's just to to show something on the the UI.
Speaker 0: This part normally is a token that need to take from the light LLM note track, right? So is the token I may have shared before, it's we have two light LLM deployments, Jose.
Speaker 0: We have one, the normal one, and we have one that is called light LLM dash note track. It's not the same API key there.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that might be the issue. It So
Speaker 0: you you need to go yeah, go go on this one and if you want, create a a new um a new uh yeah, API key and that will work.
Speaker 0: Can I use this uh I will just share I will just share mine with you. It's okay. I mean, it's not like um there is no tracking, so we don't care about sharing the API key here.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So another question I had uh while we're still on the topic tied to daily digest. You mentioned that threads, you you basically just took it from data index and integrated it in um personal Intel.
Speaker 2: So I think Matthew mentioned that we can actually use threads from Daily Digest or something. And I don't know if it's actually like ready.
Speaker 2: Matthew, like what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 0: Well when you say threads, like the if we need a reply or not.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, that yeah,
Speaker 0: so that's uh I draw it from the CRM reply from one dabbit before that was tied to Babblefish. Uh I redid it by using thread conversation or email conversation, right?
Speaker 0: Email threads, because we're we have two kinds of threading here, they don't really work the same. So yep. Uh there is an analyzer specifically for that uh can be taken and readapt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I think like maybe it's best we take the Daily digest threads because we also have the need your needs your reply thing ready on on there.
Speaker 0: I think the a
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Mathieu: Hello Yes, yes.
Jose: Yeah.
Nik: It's been a while.
Mathieu: Full morning with speaker and microphone.
Mathieu: When do we work?
Mathieu: Okay, let's see Miral Igor is off.
Mathieu: And Sergei is off.
Nik: Oh, Sergei is up today.
Mathieu: I mean, uh, active four minutes ago.
Mathieu: Uh, Igor, active forty-four minutes ago.
Nik: Let's see.
Nik: Did they say anything in the social?
Nik: No.
michal: Hello.
Nik: Hey, Michael, how are you?
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: I would think Okay, so n normally it should be demo day.
Mathieu: Um but Nick, I'm opening the the door.
Mathieu: Do you want to go through the business objective and uh see how is everyone doing?
Nik: Sure.
Mathieu: Or should we do the demo?
Nik: It would be nice to also have Quan and Sergei here, at the very least.
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Before we start.
Nik: But I mean, I I could start.
Nik: I guess so today, this morning, Matthew and I had a long conversation about the direction and stuff like that.
Nik: And we basically talked a lot about hotness, about personal CRM, because these are like the main kind of oh, and also security, these are the top three priorities that we currently have.
Nik: And yeah, so tied to hotness, we we're still kind of like doing a back and forth as to whether like where it should live.
Nik: Because right now it lives on contact DB.
Nik: We're not sure if it should live there because I mean, it depends on the approach and the heuristic and stuff like that.
Nik: Okay, Sergei is AFK.
Nik: Okay, then we don't have to wait.
Nik: But yeah, I guess a deeper discussion will be done on Monday with Juan and Mathieu, because I think we had a lot of stuff in there.
Nik: So also tied to social graph.
Nik: I was thinking about how to implement search index in the social graph and
Nik: Matthew had a great idea to basically just create a new data type, entity type in data index.
Nik: Uh called contact and basically search across different contacts.
Nik: And that could be good enough for us at the very beginning.
Nik: And then we could have like an LLM built on top of that and maybe make LLM calls to like find investors or find people that have some sort of association with podcasts and stuff like that.
Nik: Yeah, just like any type of people in your second hop network.
Nik: I feel like that could be an instant value add in terms of Max has been searching for a lot of people in his network.
Nik: So if we get this to work well, that'll be good.
Nik: So tied to the personal CRM stuff, I think, Jose, I think the a good first step, and I think you're already doing that, is basically Basically, taking the personal CRM that Max built, putting it in the monorepo, and then implementing just like the basics, contact DB, maybe search index, and stuff like that.
Jose: Yeah.
Jose: Just a quick update on that.
Jose: I started like digging into the personal CRM that Max built.
Jose: It has a bunch of stuff that it's not really used.
Jose: It was using like a mock API.
Jose: So I'm just like taking the front end.
Jose: Also, it has models and APIs for what we already have, which is contact threads and the search.
Jose: So I'm like only extracting the front end.
Jose: and making it uh putting it into a composer and putting it into monorepo apps following uh the patterns we're using there.
Jose: Um yeah, that's it.
Nik: Okay.
Jose: I I I haven't uh I I mean haven't been able to run it yet into the platform, but I mean that's what I'm
Jose: doing.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: So one other thing is that Matthew mentioned that we technically have daily digest and threads implemented.
Nik: So that could be like once we have at least the basics like contacts and whatever we can build off of those, maybe we can also like integrate.
Nik: Threads and what's the other one?
Jose: Projects data jets, contacts, threads, search index and project.
Nik: Data digest.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Uh I I think it will require anywhere um like work to be implemented.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: That would be the second step.
Mathieu: Like Daily Digest is is um is like a worker.
Mathieu: You you need something that runs in the background that will normally it was trigger every morning, but maybe this this is not the the flow we want, right?
Mathieu: Uh so yeah, uh I think every page we need to figure out what's what's the strategy to implement it.
Jose: Yeah.
Mathieu: And uh so they may maybe not put everything on Ros��.
Jose: I don't mean to build it, but to use whatever you did with Daily Digest to couple it today.
Mathieu: Yeah but that that's a point I I think well you can you can give it a try let me know um it's just you you will see the code is just for Daily Digest.
Mathieu: I mean the algorithm is there, but it's not like it's not an API.
Mathieu: There is no API on Daily Digest that will give you the threads that you can answer.
Mathieu: So you are going to be in front of not like ContactDB and data index.
Mathieu: That's a the problem.
Nik: I think it's a good thing because this way we can also like maybe Jose, you can come up with like a list of things that are lacking.
Nik: So like you don't have to build everything.
Mathieu: Exactly.
Nik: You just
Nik: come up with a list that like is required.
Nik: Like, oh, I need this from Daily Digest.
Nik: I need this from ContactDB and so on and so forth.
Nik: And of course like the hotness thing, that's like a hot topic, no pun intended.
Jose: Yeah.
Nik: So we have to think about that as well with Juan.
Nik: And it's probably going to be it's probably going to live.
Nik: I mean, it could live on ContextDB.
Nik: It could live on personal CRM.
Nik: We haven't fully concluded that.
Nik: But yeah.
Nik: I think on Monday it's going to be clear.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: I hope.
Nik: So.
Nik: Yeah, I hope so.
Nik: So Michal, are there so we currently have a few things.
michal: Yeah.
Nik: I guess one thing would be just like adding contact to contactDB.
Nik: It's a pretty straightforward task, right?
Nik: Like basically just adding that data entity and being able to ingest contacts from ContactDB into The contact in data index and search across it.
Nik: Do you think that that would be good?
Nik: Because, like, on top of this, we can build an app right away, pretty much.
michal: Yeah, I agree.
Nik: Would that work?
michal: Take yeah, I can take it.
Nik: Cool.
Nik: Sounds good.
Nik: Yeah, I think this is the best thing you can work on because you also worked on search index.
Nik: So I think this is perfect.
Nik: Um but yeah, um
Mathieu: Uh as I I I think to sync the the contact um Miral, you might need a query that is missing from contact DB is having the list of contact that change uh since an update.
Mathieu: Like you know, if you do an ingestor, you are going to have uh I think in the contact we have an updated at, something like that.
Mathieu: So when you sync everything, how do you sync another new contact
Mathieu: that got updated into data index?
Mathieu: This query doesn't exist in ContactDB, so it will need to be done for the ingestor to work good.
Mathieu: Yeah, that's it.
michal: Okay.
Nik: Yeah, so um another thing that I just wanted to mention kind of like on more on the global level uh is that we would like to have some sort of way to validate the ideas at least like ourselves as in like oh d is this actually going to be useful?
Nik: Is what I'm building gonna be useful and maybe the way we can do this is like uh once we build something maybe have a demo.
Nik: And like at least share it across the the team.
Nik: I mean we've already been kind of doing that, but also like maybe add a few comments to like, oh, okay, so this would be useful for this, this and this product, for example.
Nik: So for example, like search index could be uh or like not just searching index, but like the uh feature Michal is gonna be building is gonna be useful for um something like warm introductions or like searching across contacts in ContactDB.
Nik: Like second and first hop contacts.
Nik: And then for personal CRM, like it's kind of obvious.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Nik: But yeah, like maybe each tab would have its own kind of value.
Nik: And again, like it's obvious on one hand, it's not super obvious on the other hand, because we don't have hopness.
Nik: So if, in terms of like business value, something's unclear, feel free to reach out to me.
Nik: Uh and let's just like kind of have this process going because I feel like Max is also going to appreciate this, like just having more context as to what we're building and like more transparency here.
Mathieu: Um getting
Mathieu: feedback was yes one problem we were having uh right.
Mathieu: Um what about so this morning we talk uh we think like it would be nice just to have a meeting with Max and we put something in the calendar and we ask the question directly.
Mathieu: Do you think that we should not just keep track on Zulip but saying like Uh maybe on a final something like uh like I I was thinking the notion table, like hey, this is uh one proposal has been submitted, still waiting from the feedback and it's like a page.
Mathieu: We have a f the format, we put the demo, we put the business, like has it been validated or not, what's missing?
Mathieu: And then at any time we can track on all the proposals we did because I feel like right now We have some, we did some in the past, but it's also missed into Zulip, you know.
Mathieu: And if you try to look at it, like what was the timeline on that, maybe with data index, or we could try to get it out, but maybe having a place where we have on like tracking proposals, basically, this is a proposal, this is a status, has been.
Mathieu: Validated or not by the client, something simple that doesn't really take time.
Mathieu: This is a demo that we get out of it, you know, as a backup document.
Mathieu: What do you think?
Nik: Yeah, yeah, I think I think that's a great idea.
Nik: What we can do about this is like maybe for each product that we're building, we can have like iterations and then like explaining the why we did the next iteration or like what needs to be done in the next iteration, and then like why we did this and
Nik: why we did that, and maybe like have links to other proposals.
Mathieu: That that looks like the checking, you know.
Mathieu: Yeah, exactly.
Mathieu: That I was trying to go to the way where you have the less fill and that's not fully duplicated or Zulip, because I feel like the meeting every time it's like the thing, what we do is like where we were and where we go.
Mathieu: Yeah, it was just validating proposal by the clients.
Nik: Yeah, but I I feel like for i if um so I feel like the downside of check-ins is the fact that everyone has their own kind of like check-in system.
Nik: It's not like fully s systematized, uh plus it's not uh grouped by product.
Nik: And I feel like that could make it harder to keep track of like the the path, the product path, basically.
Nik: So like, how did we get from this starting point to this like current point?
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: It would be nice to like keep track of like maybe the screenshots, maybe like videos, like whatever videos we, okay.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: I'm gonna, I'm just gonna create like a page and structure it, maybe give like an example of how to structure it.
Nik: And yeah, just go from there.
Mathieu: In Athene we can do a document template also.
Mathieu: So if uh on the main page uh we can just uh like uh duplicate or create uh like add a new page and we select the template of a proposal or something and then boom, you just have to fill the field.
Mathieu: That might be a really uh easy step.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: I think so now I just want to give some context as to why we're doing this, because this feels useless and like extra work.
Nik: I feel like
Nik: the reason we're doing this is because for Max, it's kinda hard to keep track of what's going on because he's not always with us in the meetings.
Nik: And on the other hand, it's also like not easy to keep track of all the features that we need to build.
Nik: Uh keep track of all the feedback and stuff like that.
Nik: And plus, Max also mentioned uh in one of the calls that like we're not going the extra mile.
Nik: So like we've built something, but like there is no way for us to see what we built easily or like demo it.
Nik: So I feel like this document could help us in some sort of way.
Nik: And it would definitely like be valuable for for the entire team.
Nik: In for the company, like even like pitching products to investors, this could help to an extent.
Nik: Like at least like, oh, I have a place with all the demos and with all the iterations on the product.
Nik: And here's how we did this.
Nik: Here's how we did that.
Nik: I think this is the reason we're doing this.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Yep.
Mathieu: Agree.
Nik: It's like, it's not going to be useless.
Nik: It's definitely going to be like valuable.
Nik: Not as fun as doing all the engineering, but it needs to be done.
Mathieu: Yep.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: I kind of want to do a demo of uh some stuff I did.
Mathieu: Is it okay?
Nik: Sounds good.
Nik: Yep.
Mathieu: Um um just to to to show into things with uh people that may have not seen one of the demo and proposal was about how do how can we have Max being um uh confident enough to use the platform uh and be security wise good enough?
Mathieu: Meaning, how can we have some sort of introspection to make
Mathieu: sure like we have some visibility of what is happening?
Mathieu: So the very, very simple idea was to put all the application under a proxy.
Mathieu: It's a screen proxy that is running.
Mathieu: And in the screen proxy, there is an SEL that is calling an API.
Mathieu: This is a proxy dashboard.
Mathieu: And every time we do something, it will just Um if it's not accepted as a rule, you will see like hey, there is a tentative of connection from the L Digest to the light LLM not track.
Mathieu: It's cool because actually this I didn't saw it yesterday.
Mathieu: And because it's like a cron tab, it just happened.
Mathieu: So I can allow, I can make like uh oops, well, I just allowed it.
Mathieu: Um yeah, okay, any port, like any port on the on the destination here, not good.
Mathieu: But anyway, this is all the the rule I have.
Mathieu: This is all the request log.
Mathieu: Uh I think I can oh, sorry.
michal: And Matthew, I d I don't think you are sharing the right window or the right screen.
Mathieu: Thank you for letting me know better, huh?
Mathieu: Okay, I don't know if you guys saw the video or what, but just wanted to make sure and to discuss, just to say where we want to go is let's say if I remove the rule of Apollo that is there.
Mathieu: I'm sorry, it's not really good.
Mathieu: A pay Apollo, ma'am, I go to contact DB.
Mathieu: I will take, I don't know who is this person, 100 data.
Mathieu: Didn't work on pending request.
Mathieu: I'd have here contact DB Apollo.
Mathieu: If I allow and I retry, it will just work.
Mathieu: Yeah, maybe I actually have nothing on that.
Mathieu: I may have nothing on this person.
Nik: Can try a different one,
Mathieu: If I
Mathieu: get this, yeah, for example, on Macs I have, but if I remove the one I just created and I retry.
Nik: maybe yourself.
Nik: Oh, that's it doesn't have
Mathieu: It worked.
Mathieu: Great demo, Mathieu.
Mathieu: Could it be Enter also, maybe?
Mathieu: Enter.
Mathieu: Let's select Enter.
Mathieu: Then I have nothing.
Mathieu: Because I see the pending request was Apollo.
Mathieu: So maybe the data was coming from Enter?
Mathieu: Exactly.
Mathieu: Now I have nothing, and on the pending request, I have both.
Mathieu: How does it solve the problem with Macs?
Mathieu: This is where I have an opinion that I think is not going to fully solve.
Mathieu: Like even if we have a nice dashboard saying ah this was the number of request blocks, the error rate, what is happening per container, is if you go to the side of the user.
Mathieu: Okay, it clicks on which data.
Mathieu: What kind of information we could put up?
Mathieu: So just to say technically, what we were thinking is when a pending request is coming, we know I resolve the container from the IP.
Mathieu: So I have the name of the container.
Mathieu: And because it's just the connect part of the proxy, you don't have the URL, you don't have the content of the body or whatever.
Mathieu: You just know it wants to connect to this host at this port.
Mathieu: One idea was we could have a web socket that have rooms that sends that into a room and say, hey, the container contact DB backend is trying to access to this.
Mathieu: And here in the front end, we could have a component that automatically is going to listen to the web socket, is going to receive a pending request.
Mathieu: So when you could hold the request, not responding directly, not allowed, because we are in control of that.
Mathieu: So
Mathieu: we could delay a little bit.
Mathieu: And when you click on rich data, you will have a pop-up saying like, hey, contact DB backend, try to access to api.apollo.io.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Now the more we think we iterate with Nick and the more I think about that, is it a good UX?
Mathieu: And this is where we think it might not be in a way that how somebody like Jordan, Hannah, et cetera, is going to know.
Mathieu: What is Apollo.io and if it's going to be okay, and how are we protecting or any kind of data exfiltration?
Mathieu: Absolutely not.
Mathieu: So, to me, there was two things.
Mathieu: One will be, and it's almost no change on our code, for every HTTP request we do everywhere into the app, we could add HTTP header.
Mathieu: And for example, the unreached data, when we do the request to Apollo, we could say we add an HTTP header like the intent, like who is it and what is the intent?
Mathieu: And the intent will be unreach the data of Max Crayer.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: And so in the pop-up, instead of saying contact DB try to access to API Apollo machine, we could say contact DB try to unreach the data of Max Max Crayer.
Mathieu: By connecting to this server, are you okay or not?
Mathieu: Like we give an intent to all the requests.
Mathieu: So one thing, for example, as weird stuff that happened to me when I used the system is when I tried to I was there, I don't remember, and I see contact uh data index try to access to user.fm.
Mathieu: And I did not realize that user.fm was actually the domain.
Mathieu: that is used for the fast mail configuration here.
Mathieu: It's user.fm, the ICS calendar.
Mathieu: So I was also kind of lost like
Mathieu: what is this pending request, should I accept it or not.
Mathieu: So I think like adding this will help the UX and let the user know what is the intent of the request if it has been blocked.
Mathieu: And yes, and another path of um helping will be and that's need to be studied can uh like I know Anrel you use uh you install Presidio, but uh I think none of us really go into it and see what can be done uh with it.
Mathieu: So I'm going to have a look like how will these frameworks from Microsoft help to see if we can have some alert of data extraction or something bad happening, whatever.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: That's any any feedback?
Mathieu: If none?
Mathieu: Okay.
michal: I like it this could this could w this could work work on our apps, but I wonder about requests coming from LibreChat, like web search.
Mathieu: That's about it for the demo.
Nik: Love it.
Mathieu: I think it will it will say the same pattern.
Mathieu: Maybe there won't be the HTTP header in intent, right?
Mathieu: But maybe we can have some rules or some some label on the docker environment variable.
Mathieu: I don't know.
Mathieu: Say I think more the the docker labels because okay I'm sorry I'm um excited about that but let's let's go it in another way.
michal: Yeah.
Mathieu: I we are in control of the proxy API in the proxy API I do a docker resolution from the IP to the label actually I'm listing all the container To know all the IPs and to be able to match the name of the container to show the name instead of the IP.
Mathieu: That works.
Mathieu: So maybe in the same way, if you don't have any header saying the intents, maybe we can have some
Mathieu: more rules or label or stuff put in the container that then the API can request and see.
michal: Yeah.
Mathieu: Like at the same time, ah, it's this container.
Mathieu: Ah, it's coming from this and these endpoints, it might be for the search, something like that.
Mathieu: Or another path is today, as I say, we just have the connect with the host and the port, right?
Mathieu: To be able to see the request, we need to share the CA.
Mathieu: So the other idea will be we create a CA certificate, we put it in all our container as a trust CA.
Mathieu: And therefore, we can decrypt the SSL transaction, like SSL exchange.
Mathieu: We can extract the content, and from the content, maybe we can also do something more smarter, like it looks like something okay or not something okay.
Mathieu: Same a little bit like procedure when we analyze the LLM calls.
michal: Yeah.
Mathieu: Maybe there is a system that is more I mean, I was working on network and firewall stuff, like all the deep inspection, there is sometimes some scanner that indicates if the request is good or not good.
Mathieu: With some signature database, maybe something like that could help.
Mathieu: I don't know.
Mathieu: But we need the content.
Mathieu: And right now, the demo doesn't have any content.
Mathieu: But it should be easy to do.
Mathieu: So yeah.
Mathieu: That's it.
Mathieu: Anybody else want to share something?
Mathieu: Or any more um
Angel: Well, uh been working on deploying the big models based on the Daniel work.
Angel: Maybe we will have to to review after some tests on the models what is the current duration that we have to decide about that because currently we are using GLM for five air.
Angel: It works well.
Angel: And we don't have problems with the GPU availability these moments, but
Angel: the idea is to deploy a big model and maybe analyze if the cost of to have that model is better than to have the a big model in business hours and the air model maybe at nights or weekends.
Angel: So we have to analyze and first of all that we need to check that the model works well with the Current development status, right?
Angel: Because we cannot deploy and start to use it, and maybe it has not a good performance with the application.
Angel: So the idea is to complete the work currently and have GLM for SITS.
Angel: And the idea is to have DeepSeq tomorrow if everything is okay, because it uses another architecture.
Angel: So maybe it can.
Angel: It's possible that it doesn't work.
Angel: And to start to test using a sandbox deployment, it means on demand to test the performance and after that to make decisions.
Angel: That is the status of the model deployment.
Angel: And I wanted to share something.
Angel: It's a tool.
Angel: You can see how to sh okay.
Angel: This is something only an additional thing.
Angel: I I work sometimes with students in the university to maybe in some entrepreneurship staff and you know and we use usually these tools no let me see this one this one it's a simple tool the idea is not to add more Something like bureaucracy to the process, but it's a good tool that we use to prioritize ideas when someone has an idea in the team.
Angel: Basically, we evaluate super quick in an iteration or two where the idea we can locate the idea in our context, right?
Angel: A super typical way to do it is to divide the grid in these quadrants.
Angel: So For example, we have low value, high value, low effort, or high effort.
Angel: You
Angel: can give the direction how you feel is better.
Angel: But the idea is to say, okay, this is super important.
Angel: We need to do this right now, or this can be due later.
Angel: This is not important.
Angel: We can ignore it.
Angel: That is not a bad idea, or something like that.
Angel: And to use this is super easy to make decisions.
Angel: Makes the decision documented in a quick way.
Angel: And another tool that we use usually is this one.
Angel: After a student gives an emo, right, we complete this format, filling this stuff.
Angel: For example, I like this of the idea, or I wish that this could do something additional.
Angel: Questions around the after the demo and new ideas that we get from the presentation, right?
Angel: They are simple tools, but it can be useful to document the experimentation and to maybe make decisions for to advance the projects.
Angel: I don't know, maybe it can be useful, but yeah, I wanted to share with the team that.
Mathieu: It was nice.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, it looks good.
Nik: Looks good.
Angel: I'm gonna share that with with with the team and the well, and it can be useful maybe.
Nik: Yes.
Nik: Yeah, I think for feedback capture, I think that that's like pretty much what I've been thinking about.
Nik: I mean, not like in the access thing, but just like as a list.
Nik: But for prioritization, I have a hunch that right now the way we're prioritizing things is basically based on the user feedback and not you know well I mean we can't still like prioritize tasks this way but I feel like currently we're just like prioritizing projects because like we're a relatively small team too but yeah I think I think this is definitely worth considering.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Nik: For feedback, definitely a hundred
Nik: percent.
Nik: Looks good.
Mathieu: There was another demo I uh wanted just to say to the team on the mono repo.
Mathieu: There is a pre-commit validation that has been uh added yesterday and it's like All the pre commit is uh normally running every time we do a commit locally, uh if everybody installed, but in case we miss to install or there is some other automated that uh I don't know, commit that is purchased not doing it, we have a catch on the CI C D.
Mathieu: And hell, I didn't use trying to to extract the artifact out of it, but at least like I separated the pre commit instead of running all the pre commit into one action.
Mathieu: I separated that action makes sense and maybe some could be just avoided if we didn't touch anything to Python, for example, stuff like that.
Mathieu: But um yeah, it's like all the code quality is about the white space, stuff like that.
Mathieu: Uh git stick running, rough is running, Bundy added Semgrad, and if we want like SemGrad doesn't pass, I don't know why.
Mathieu: Uh this is where the Actify will be nice, but right now at least you can see and have like a Uh one finding, I don't know.
Mathieu: This is a finding dynamic value being used in URL lib.
Mathieu: Okay, with URL open or whatever in the squid check rule.
Mathieu: Okay, that's it.
Mathieu: Some need to be fixed or need to be ignored, but at least now it's running on all the new pull requests.
Mathieu: And thanks to UNREL with the cache.
Mathieu: It doesn't take that long as you can see where is it?
Mathieu: Uh no, it's also commit ten seconds.
Mathieu: How do you see uh the was not validate platform validate pre commit?
Mathieu: Okay, it took
Mathieu: two minutes thirty uh but it's just this one's a setup uh I still need to pass through it.
Mathieu: Maybe there is a way to cache it into a little bit better, but There is like one general action that is using the cache to uh use a new uh precommit installation and then it's running one by one all the check of the precommits.
Mathieu: Meaning also, just to make sure everybody understand, if we add something into the precommit, we also need to add the related CI C D corresponding to the new pre commit we added, because it it won't do it by itself.
Mathieu: Um yeah, that's it.
michal: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: And there is no pre-commit on the JavaScript code or TypeScript code.
Mathieu: I think it would be nice that the same way we did one for Rough and also Python code would be nice to have one for every kind of HTML, TypeScript, JavaScript, that everything is the same.
Mathieu: But my screen on this GS part is a little bit not great.
michal: I I have one s yeah, I I have one thing from my side.
michal: Uh I I did uh a change to the Zolip ingester to detect new streams because uh I like I had a problem with the demo on Tuesday to uh because I didn't have the leads channel ingested and uh Jordan wanted to do a test query directly from from the leads channel.
michal: Uh so I added that and also ingesting DMs.
michal: Uh I can't demo because my local setup is broken at the moment.
michal: So sorry about that.
michal: Um uh and I have two two questions.
michal: Uh like one is what what like what do we do with uh the personal meeting summary?
michal: I kind of held off on that because I
michal: saw on the last project management update like there was something depending on uh something Sergey doing in the in Reflector.
michal: Uh like and also I'm like unsure.
michal: if this is a priority for for us for now and where where that should where that should live.
michal: And the other thing is Jordan has indicated that like the the the current state of the uh of the project with uh with chat, with MCP, with search would be useful to him.
michal: And I was wondering like w what plans do we have on the rollout rollout of the Mondor repo to the users?
Nik: Yeah, so the first question about personal meeting summary, I think the first I want to get the response from Sergei and see where he's at with it.
Nik: And like I want to see the demo and I want to show it to Max and I want to see if this is something that he's going to find useful and then like we can easily like use Personal meeting summary as the back end for whatever Sergei builds.
Nik: I feel like it's not going to be that difficult to implement.
Nik: Just like a different structured output thing, right?
Nik: And sending that to the DMs.
Nik: And then the second question tied to Mona Repo.
Nik: I think
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Nik: Hey Matthew, how are you?
Nik: Can you hear me?
Mathieu: Yes, I hear you well.
Nik: Good, good.
Nik: Yeah, my headphones, I gotta recharge them.
Nik: Actually, let me do that right now.
Nik: Well, I'm good.
Mathieu: Yeah, for the next meeting.
Mathieu: Bye.
Nik: Been working on Anna's story right now.
Mathieu: Uh-huh.
Nik: Focusing on that.
Nik: Got the UX pretty much.
Nik: Done.
Nik: I just wanna uh validate with Anna in like whenever she's available.
Nik: Um, I feel like this is gonna be a good starting point.
Nik: Um, but yeah, overall been good.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: How about you?
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Uh good.
Mathieu: I was wondering is the next step, to be honest, in a way that we didn't got any feedback from Max.
Mathieu: Max should be considered as a client.
Mathieu: Should we have book a meeting with him?
Nik: Uh so as far as I understand, Max is in San Francisco and my understanding was that my understanding was that like he is super busy with meetings and so uh I assumed that we shouldn't bother him but can worth trying.
Mathieu: Does it matter?
Mathieu: To be honest, that's a mindset I was having sometimes.
Mathieu: And then we can pass, like the full week will pass, no feedback, and it will come back.
Mathieu: It's like, so I was wondering, like, should we at least try?
Mathieu: I mean, you can always say no, and we I'm not available, we reschedule, but we did the work.
Nik: Yeah, okay.
Nik: That makes sense.
Mathieu: You know?
Nik: Yeah, totally, totally.
Nik: Let's do that.
Nik: Uh do you want to discuss?
Mathieu: Because even even if he was in SF in Monday, I think he was active a little bit.
Mathieu: So yesterday and Mardi, uh, like the last two day he was not.
Nik: Okay.
Mathieu: We never know.
Mathieu: Because I I was like, okay, there is two ways to get feedback
Mathieu: from Max if we want to improve ourselves was like the tag, but the tag is what everybody is doing, doesn't really work, right?
Mathieu: And it gives us a clear signal again that we should really treat him as a client.
Mathieu: So if we don't have feedback, what we tag again or we prepare a meeting.
Mathieu: Um and we say this is the point that we are going to to do in the meeting.
Mathieu: We need uh a feedback on this, this, this, this.
Nik: Actually, there is there's probably a better yeah, yeah, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.
Mathieu: And not l no, no, no, no, but um yeah, you you I think you understand the the thing.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: That's what I I was like, should we try?
Nik: Definitely.
Nik: I think it's always worth trying and yeah, I think it makes sense.
Nik: But I I'm trying to find his schedule right now and maybe s try to schedule a meeting with him.
Nik: Oh, it looks like so so today he has uh like at least on cal.com I am looking at his calendar and uh it says that today or tomorrow he doesn't have any time available.
Mathieu: This one.
Nik: So basically the entire day is busy.
Nik: But on Monday he has time.
Nik: I could schedule a meeting on Monday.
Nik: I mean either I I'm gonna schedule it either way because I'm gonna need to talk like kind of align with him on what we've been doing anyways.
Nik: Basically do a check-in.
Nik: So I guess maybe I can also add you to that meeting.
Mathieu: Yeah, would be nice.
Nik: Yeah, and so Monday we have 11:30, 12 p.m., 1 p.m., 3:30 p.m.
Nik: What time works best for you?
Nik: I'm guessing anything before
Mathieu: Uh the the first the first rot I see on his
Mathieu: calendar, uh you took uh twenty five or fifty.
Mathieu: Well, it's the same.
Mathieu: The first slot on twenty five is ten thirty AM or well, and it's just uh half an hour after the internal AI um meeting.
Nik: Yep, yep, yep.
Mathieu: So maybe eleven, like the the slot just after.
Nik: Oh, okay, so for me it's twelve p.m., 11:30 a.m.
Nik: because I'm uh looking at the Montreal time zone zone.
Nik: Um but yeah, it's it's the same.
Mathieu: Okay, okay, l let me put uh Montreal then uh Max have a tendency Max have a tendency to talk a lot also, a little bit the same as me sometimes.
Nik: So yeah, 11 11 a.m.
Nik: in in in your time.
Nik: Uh and let's do fifteen.
Nik: Oh, fifteen minutes is not gonna work for eleven a.m.
Nik: But I I don't know if tw 25 minutes is gonna be enough.
Nik: What do you think?
Nik: I feel like there's gonna be like uh-huh.
Mathieu: Maybe we can drive the meeting in another way, like we keeping on track, not let him uh talk on a lot of other things.
Mathieu: I don't know, like this is the plan.
Mathieu: Tell us like uh in a concise way, are we good or not?
Mathieu: What's still missing in your point of view?
Mathieu: Okay, done, and and we go over the subject, you know.
Mathieu: But maybe twenty-five is not enough.
Nik: Yeah, so so what I think is maybe we can set up a I feel like it's better to kind of reverse it, maybe have like a longer meeting at the beginning of the week and then have shorter check-ins during the week.
Mathieu: M maybe it's better to have multiple twenty-five during a week than one big uh fifty.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: So I suggest maybe so how are you looking
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: at For you, it would be 10:30 a.m.
Nik: I know that we have a meeting with the internal AI team at 10 in your time, right?
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: But we can like squeeze it in 30 minutes and then have like a 50-minute meeting with Max at 10:30.
Mathieu: We will shut it.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: All right, sounds good.
Nik: Let me let me just add you.
Nik: So, Nikita Matico.
Nik: And then my come uh-huh is it mat matu at monadical.com?
Nik: Is that your email?
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Okay, perfect.
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Yep, it's scheduled.
Nik: You should have received an email.
Nik: Let's see if Let's see if Max is gonna actually gonna be available at that time because uh last time I scheduled a meeting with him and he was like, Oh, uh actually I have a mid medical appointment and so uh you scheduled the meeting before I blocked that slot.
Mathieu: Um Yeah.
Nik: Uh so we can reschedule.
Nik: So we we might need to reschedule either way.
Nik: So yeah.
Nik: Uh we'll see.
Nik: But that's fine.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Um Yeah.
Nik: Do you did you wanna talk a bit uh more on direction?
Mathieu: That's good.
Mathieu: Um yeah like how you feel mo mostly about that.
Mathieu: Ha how you feel about handling this part.
Nik: I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty confident so far.
Nik: I think the biggest thing that uh that is my the the biggest uncertainty for me right now is The personal CRM thing plus hotness.
Nik: So, like, how do we coordinate the implementation?
Nik: Right now, I'm just like sticking to the back off approach.
Nik: So, we're gonna come up with some sort of a proposal.
Nik: We also want to be able to iterate quickly.
Nik: So, we have to have some data set for hotness.
Nik: For personal CRM, it's just gonna be like the first step would be
Nik: to move.
Nik: Or like copy Max's personal CRM into one repo, integrate contact DB, search index, data index, stuff like that.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: It's pretty straightforward.
Nik: There is none no need to like Yeah, yeah, that's what he's doing right now.
Mathieu: Is that what Jose is doing?
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Mathieu: Okay, okay.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Uh that's so he started working on that uh after that meeting we had.
Nik: I think yesterday.
Mathieu: Okay, okay, okay.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: And then Juan is going to start working on hotness specifically for ContactDB.
Nik: And I gave him some context on the business value and how we should approach this.
Nik: And I also wrote a document to that.
Nik: But I feel like we also need to have some sort of a data set for us to iterate on.
Nik: And for that, we need Macs so we can.
Nik: Retrieve that data set from his contacts because we're optimizing for that user.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: So that's the plan so far.
Mathieu: I think we're good on that.
Mathieu: To be honest, it was like, then what should I focus?
Mathieu: Because you say our security is done.
Mathieu: I'm like, mm then I wonder if Because the same is uh Max have a tendency to put everything as business value, but then when some stuff is not yet done, he doesn't understand why.
Mathieu: Uh so you work right now on like the user story of the person on CRMs, uh hotness, uh HANA.
Mathieu: Uh Miral isn't clear.
Nik: And there is also oh yeah, so uh so one second.
Nik: So Sergei is working on the reflector thing that we talked about before, where it's like action items being sent.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Uh he should have some demo today.
Nik: Um for um so I also asked you to like maybe write
Nik: a script that would retrieve like a JSON of I don't know.
Mathieu: It's it's it's ongoing, yep.
Nik: Okay, okay, perfect.
Nik: Because this is going to be needed for hotness as well.
Mathieu: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, on that, on that, on that, on that.
Mathieu: ContactDB and data index are separated.
Mathieu: Why are we not trying to put it together?
Mathieu: Why?
Mathieu: I'm saying that because there is a deep like contact DB as before was easier to iterate, you know, when you didn't know exactly how to go.
Mathieu: But the strong correlation there is on both is I feel like the hotness is part of ContactDB, but requires so much of data index that it's a lot of an API call just to try to gather the stuff.
Mathieu: So I was always wondering like before, like the hotness is not working today because data index send tracking information to ContactDB, but when you reset the initiative, it will start again to send tracking information from ContactDB.
Mathieu: ContactDB doesn't know like all of the sudden.
Mathieu: A wall set of data is gone, okay?
Mathieu: So the interaction will be doubled, et cetera.
Mathieu: I thought, and I was having a ticket to move the calculation of the tracking, like having stats sent by data index.
Mathieu: You say, give me the stat of this contact, and from the perspective of data index, you get it.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Now you think about the oddness.
Mathieu: When I see the script and all the API call, like, hey, you want all the thread of all the conversation about a person.
Mathieu: Well, you can have the conversation that contains a person, but you don't have the message per se.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: And maybe you send one message, the other send a thousand.
Mathieu: Does it mean you have a good interaction on this
Mathieu: thread?
Mathieu: No, because on Zulip you can be maybe send one message on a thread conversation and like on a reflector, like do one time.
Mathieu: Igor and Sergei and me, we post a lot, doesn't mean we are close to it, you know?
Mathieu: So there is some kind of heuristic here also to do like, hey, this is a conversation I'm actively interacting with the person or not.
Mathieu: So that's why also here, when you ask me, extract the conversation where, you know, like that can be valuable, right now I do.
Mathieu: I target all the thread conversations that have the person.
Mathieu: If I have the person in the conversation and I have it, it means I'm also on it, you know, it's like it's kind of implied because otherwise I would have not seen it on my data index.
Mathieu: But anyway, and then on this thread, I extract all the message.
Mathieu: So the stuff is going to be big.
Mathieu: This is going to be the data sets for a person.
Mathieu: Maybe we are, I don't know.
Mathieu: You didn't really give me like one year, two years of data, and I'm like in the head of Max.
Mathieu: How far should we go?
Mathieu: It's unclear.
Mathieu: But that's it.
Mathieu: And I'm like, if tomorrow we want to calculate the hotness, API call is not going to work.
Mathieu: Maybe you want such some specific query that either we go data index.
Mathieu: And I think it's also completely against the approach that Max was wanted, have an easy function that you can start to fiddle out.
Mathieu: But if you fiddle and you have the API call, Already today is like, give me a simple query interface.
Mathieu: I heard it in the transcript.
Mathieu: He never even checked because the query is simple.
Mathieu: Like you can
Mathieu: do a lot of stuff, but it's just a matter of understanding the data model and how you can do out of it.
Mathieu: And there will be limitation of the query.
Mathieu: You cannot do join, you can not do this kind of stuff between all the data.
Mathieu: So I'm a little bit there.
Mathieu: Let's try to see where the odness is going.
Mathieu: But is hotness calculation should be done from data index because it's mostly related to data?
Mathieu: Or should it be done in contact DB but with API code and is going to be held?
Mathieu: That's it.
Mathieu: So technically, there is some uh like kind of a choice there.
Nik: But I feel like hotness is also determined by the contact itself, like the information that we have on that contact, right?
Mathieu: Just Okay, if you remove data index, what what else do you take from the contact information?
Nik: So, like, it's not just the threads, it's not just conversations.
Nik: I mean, conversations are important, and probably like.
Nik: One of the more important pieces, but yeah, I was thinking, you know, like at least job title, employer, stuff like that, like the headline of the person from LinkedIn, like basically the Apollo enrichment information.
Nik: Because that, like, if a person, that person is like.
Nik: Some sort of an investor should contribute to hotness to some extent, at least, right?
Nik: Or, like, you know, the caliber of the person should probably contribute.
Mathieu: Maybe Mhm Yeah.
Nik: But of course, I think the main component we're missing.
Nik: So, here's how, like, I think the data set is good and stuff, right?
Nik: But I feel like we might be missing one of the main components for calculating hotness, which is projects.
Nik: Remember how in the personal CRM we had projects and that would contribute
Nik: to hotness?
Nik: And Yeah.
Mathieu: Exactly what I was telling you since the beginning is like to me optness is not relevant as a global metrics.
Mathieu: It feels like depending on the project, the prospect or the people you need to talk is going to be different and therefore calculation might have different that's why I was having the stuff of the LLM tags is basically it is like something is calculated through an LLM by giving a context and therefore if even you have a project or something is going to come up with a different score.
Mathieu: Uh so this is why I still have the sensation that the general oddness is not going to work.
Mathieu: And if it's one per project, therefore, is it something that should be stored in contact DB?
Mathieu: I think there is still an oddness required when we just go and see your contact list without project.
Mathieu: You see your contact, that is one hotness.
Mathieu: And the one in project, like what are the more relevant people that I can add to my project?
Mathieu: It feels like it's Something else can be called a nest button.
Nik: Yeah, I feel like we we don't only have hotness.
Nik: The s the thing about hotness is like it's not just I feel like it's several components, right?
Nik: So if we go look at the POC that we were writing down and uh a fine, a thin, uh we can see that like we actually have several things.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: So first of all, daily digest.
Nik: Do we incorporate hotness in there?
Nik: We like what contacts do we surface there?
Nik: How do we decide whether to surface specific contacts?
Nik: And how do we get the labels based on like follow-up needed, life event, and so on and so forth?
Nik: Right.
Nik: So, the second part that is a bit unclear to me is like email threads or just threads in general, right?
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: Like, we do have threads like on Zulip everywhere, but We also want to somehow classify those threads as to whether a thread needs your reply or not, or whether it's waiting for a reply and also like waiting for a reply versus huh?
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Yep.
Mathieu: That's a daily digest is already done.
Mathieu: It's already done in the daily digest.
Mathieu: There is some sort of classification on threats, on conversation and threat conversation.
Nik: Yeah, but okay, but is it how do I say?
Nik: Well, first of all, does it work well?
Nik: That's one of the main questions.
Nik: We haven't validated that yet.
Mathieu: No, Anna, I have some uh issue because uh she show me one of the problem is when uh I I target the thread conversation, you own it and require message from you, but sometimes because the thread is also taking like the last fifty message out of the thread, sometimes a thread is popping up because it it has been revived like three months without nothing and all of the sudden somebody sends a message on it, like paying a person.
Mathieu: And the algorithm will see actually the message before three months ago and might pick up this kind of message and say, Hey, you didn't answer before, which is wrong.
Mathieu: So prompt, I think more iteration is required on that.
Mathieu: And again, having a data set at it has been done fast.
Mathieu: There is no data set, no evaluation on this part.
Mathieu: So yes, agree.
Mathieu: This needs to be rebooted, but at least there is a base.
Mathieu: I mean we can come up with something a little bit uh working.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Nik: yeah.
Nik: I I I agree.
Nik: Um, so okay, I I guess like we can assume at least that we have threads.
Nik: For now, Jose is not gonna focus focus on threads because we don't know if this works or not.
Nik: We're not even gonna like include that tab yet in the MVP.
Mathieu: Do do you think Ros�� should actually implement all of this?
Mathieu: Or as soon as we have a start of the monoripo, we can say, okay, You are in charge of the thread part, you are in charge of the uh like m somebody can be responsible of a part uh of the application because it's it's like there is so many algorithm and stuff inside that put everything on one person that might be a little bit complicated.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mathieu: Especially that Rosis so far didn't work on any kind of heuristic or analysis.
Mathieu: It will be completely new on this part.
Nik: Okay.
Nik: Well, so so it's not Jose who's going to be working on hotness.
Nik: That's the thing.
Mathieu: Yeah, it's one David.
Nik: Yeah, it's Juan.
Mathieu: Uh one, sorry.
Mathieu: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's just like it's one part of the whole personal CRM, right?
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: That's that's true.
Nik: That's true.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: I feel like So now I'm like considering a different thing completely because you're you're also asking like, oh, um what should I do?
Nik: And I feel like you have m significantly more context on hotness.
Nik: Could you like try to give it a go?
Mathieu: So my I think Juan might be good on that because I'm not good at algorithmy and heuristic and this kind of stuff.
Mathieu: Like mathematically wise, it's not my forte and I can spend a lot of time like that.
Mathieu: Juan, I saw him
Mathieu: doing an AI bot for a game in like Alpha Day and I was completely amazed.
Mathieu: He's like a beast.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: So I feel like he might tackle this part much better.
Mathieu: On me, it's more on the architecture.
Mathieu: saying like, hey, this data flow or this approach doesn't seem uh really good and we should do this part.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: That is uh where I I feel more comf not comfortable, I feel more accurate, let's say.
Mathieu: What I was like the security part that was still uh when you say it's uh done uh so far, I feel like on the company there is still some issue, like you you saw the the report of the DevOps?
Mathieu: So when there was a RCE, uh I asked Henriel to run a Trivi on a Codify.
Mathieu: He needed like almost like more than 400 critical issues on the server.
Mathieu: So didn't discuss yet with him how we are going to remediate it, but maybe he need a hand on this part.
Mathieu: The second part is I was f I think I share.
Mathieu: On the Docker level, we have some habits.
Mathieu: You did good with the meeting prep by at least adding a user in the Docker file for the production, but none of the other Docker or even applications, not even reflector, have this kind of remediation.
Mathieu: The other part is when we construct a Docker, everything is writable by default if we are root.
Mathieu: And if you are on a firmware, like on a router, you cannot write anywhere, only in slash TMP, and the TMP is not having the executable bits, so you cannot even execute if you can write, meaning all the RCE stuff could have been avoided completely if we were having good security practice.
Mathieu: That's where
Mathieu: I'm I'm like, okay, if we want to raise our stuff, I see two paths, uh actually three paths.
Mathieu: One is I want to experiment on the proxy and procedure.
Mathieu: Because it has been many times nice if somebody should look at that, Barbara.
Mathieu: I don't know what Procedure is giving us as an output.
Mathieu: I don't know how good it is.
Mathieu: And maybe just having a an on taking a little bit of time to have an understanding of what is the limitation of Procedure or is it good?
Mathieu: Maybe just ah, it's so good, we can just d put it into internal AI, we can put it in the company, that will be will raise the security because We have some alert if some stuff is going out.
Mathieu: Right now we we are blind if we have uh leaks.
Mathieu: That is one.
Mathieu: The second is like aiming from the Docker file.
Mathieu: Uh like uh and and do a tech toll or something like the oh one password tree I still didn't share to any to anybody on the team.
Mathieu: Like we should use it.
Mathieu: Uh what is the the right approach and like maybe a A Docker file with add a lint that check that your Docker is actually correctly secured or not.
Mathieu: Um and the fir the first I started a presentation, maybe I should share it to you.
Mathieu: I think the presentation would be nice to to show to Max, but I feel like I'm aiming there because I'm I'm the technical one and he wants the other side something to sh show to the people.
Mathieu: And the first one, the presentation, is too technique like, hey, this is the Docker network, this is how it communicates, this is what we protect.
Mathieu: There is nothing visible,
Mathieu: it's just a matter of good practice.
Mathieu: You know.
Mathieu: So that's where the other part with the squid is something visible that we can show.
Nik: So here's why I think here's why I said like, oh, you're down with security for now, is because we still gotta validate this with Max and make sure that like this is kind of what he wanted in terms of the UX and then maybe we can continue on the security.
Mathieu: And I think if we have procedure, we can show also.
Nik: I feel like the presentation is good still.
Nik: I think maybe we should keep it and maybe have like two aspects of the presentation like or like two versions or whatever where It's more technical for Max and something more businessy for other people, like where we just avoid showing some of the slides, just gonna kind of go high level.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: That could be good.
Nik: But yeah, I think like for security, maybe we shouldn't dive too deep into this because maybe this is already good enough.
Nik: Or like, or do you think?
Nik: Okay, so I'm gonna like ask you this: do you think?
Nik: Like, you worked with Max significantly more than I have.
Nik: So, like, what do you think would his response be?
Mathieu: I think in the security we don't tackle anything.
Mathieu: One thing he's afraid is like he's afraid some data from him is going out and it was something he didn't ask or allowed.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: If we take this, the squid proxy is not enough because we don't see the component.
Mathieu: We just see there was a connection somewhere.
Mathieu: We don't even know if it's a get or a post.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: So you don't know the URL, you don't know the service, you don't know anything, just the
Mathieu: domain.
Mathieu: It's one step, but I don't think it's enough in the head of Max.
Mathieu: The second, even if you have the the request, you don't know if actually something uh it took a lot of time, like he want to be able to use big models, but uh depending of the sec uh of the privacy level there is, uh we should use local model uh and he wanted an automated router for that.
Mathieu: Uh Miral tried to look a little bit, but n s something never came.
Mathieu: So I think on the recurrent subject is about being able to know if something private just get out.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: And we don't have anything on that.
Mathieu: We don't look about it.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: And the Squid proxy is not going to help at all.
Mathieu: That's where he show us procedure.
Mathieu: He told us, he gave us before some resources about people that does LLM proxy, etc.
Mathieu: We nobody has worked on this one.
Mathieu: So if it will be a user story and a business value, it's about making the user confident on the platform that nothing important is going to hit.
Mathieu: An endpoint that you should not eat.
Mathieu: And when he was saying Apollo is like, okay, it's an API call.
Mathieu: I kind of move it by, hey, it's just going to work because it's an API call.
Mathieu: We don't, there is no prompt injection, et cetera.
Mathieu: And it's a call we just do ourselves.
Mathieu: What if, for example, you take meeting prep or you take daily digest, actually, I'm the one.
Mathieu: Doing some requests to build the context that I pass to an LLM.
Mathieu: Okay, the LLM is something private that we own.
Mathieu: But if tomorrow we change the configuration or anything happen, or the wrong model is going to
Mathieu: be out and we don't have any alert.
Mathieu: So, a way to help to say we are privacy ready in a way that if anything happens, we will know.
Mathieu: And we can even try is to have a system like that already ready.
Mathieu: And that's where I feel like it's not security as let's protect on the node and MPM attack and S C V.
Mathieu: I think like this is one of the subjects the company, not just us, should be aware and how we can raise our security practice.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: The other is about being okay on the platform.
Mathieu: And nobody has tried Procedio yet.
Mathieu: I know it's installed.
Mathieu: I didn't even look.
Mathieu: I don't know what we can do.
Mathieu: I don't know what it's going to do.
Mathieu: So there is a subject we need to go there to come with some.
Mathieu: We try.
Mathieu: This is what Procedio can help us.
Mathieu: We think about this proposal to integrate into the internal AI.
Mathieu: Do you think it makes sense or not, Max?
Mathieu: But we need a tiny research.
Mathieu: That's where I was aiming.
Mathieu: And I think it gets into the business value of Max.
Mathieu: Like we can show we have that fail uh how do you say we have that firewall in place, let's say, or observability in place.
Mathieu: No.
Nik: Makes sense.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: I think yeah, secure I think security is still the highest priority.
Nik: I just think like the Yeah, I'm not sure like how far we can go because with security that you can like go very deep.
Mathieu: Exactly.
Nik: Like it's it's a rabbit hole.
Nik: And like the thing is if we go w way too deep right now um will this be an overkill or with will will it not be the thing?
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: That's my main
Nik: worry.
Mathieu: I I I'm I'm not saying let's do it.
Nik: So the thing is, I know that Max asked us to build some sort of a UX that shows outgoing requests, right?
Nik: But he didn't specify the details, right?
Nik: And we did build this UX.
Nik: And I feel like, at least in my mind, it felt logical to first show it to him and see what he says and see what he like we can propose.
Nik: Some of the things to him.
Nik: But I don't know if it makes sense to like build the entire thing right away.
Nik: Yeah, I think.
Mathieu: No, no, no, no.
Mathieu: I'm not asking to build, right?
Nik: Oh, okay.
Mathieu: I'm asking to explore, to understand what procedure is, limitation.
Mathieu: And it's like you need time to then say it's a good solution that we could integrate and do and do that in addition.
Mathieu: Like maybe in the meeting on Monday, when we are going to ask him feedback, at least we're ready for this part.
Mathieu: Because I have the sensation that again, what we are going to propose might not be enough because it doesn't protect on any exfiltration of data prompting junction or whatever.
Mathieu: We have nothing.
Mathieu: So it's like in terms of the investor, you talk about a platform about aye hey, look, you can do that.
Mathieu: Yeah, but all the stuff is saying about being protecting on your data, it doesn't really protect because you're like, okay, it tried to access to, I don't know, if it will be a high-level user, it tries to access to a pypy.org.
Mathieu: I don't know, yes, because uh my stuff doesn't work.
Mathieu: You know, people is going to say yes, only Max is going to to know ah, why, and i i if if you start
Mathieu: to say the why, then the only way you need to do is going to the log on the service to try why he was doing that, you know, and you don't have any it's like the next step, you are completely in the blind.
Mathieu: So to to me, it feels nice as a protective when you know.
Mathieu: As a high user, non-technical ANA, Jordan, or whatever, I think it's wrong.
Mathieu: It's not good enough, right?
Mathieu: They are one hundred percent sure either it's like if you have a pop-up saying he tried to access to this this domain, you don't even know what or how what question will we have in their mind?
Mathieu:
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Nik: Hey Matthew, how are you?
Nik: Can you hear me?
Mathieu: Yes, I hear you well.
Nik: Good, good.
Nik: Yeah, my headphones, I gotta recharge them.
Nik: Actually, let me do that right now.
Nik: Well, I'm good.
Mathieu: Yeah, for the next meeting.
Mathieu: Bye.
Nik: Been working on Anna's story right now.
Mathieu: Uh-huh.
Nik: Focusing on that.
Nik: Got the UX pretty much.
Nik: Done.
Nik: I just wanna uh validate with Anna in like whenever she's available.
Nik: Um, I feel like this is gonna be a good starting point.
Nik: Um, but yeah, overall been good.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: How about you?
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Uh good.
Mathieu: I was wondering is the next step, to be honest, in a way that we didn't got any feedback from Max.
Mathieu: Max should be considered as a client.
Mathieu: Should we have book a meeting with him?
Nik: Uh so as far as I understand, Max is in San Francisco and my understanding was that my understanding was that like he is super busy with meetings and so uh I assumed that we shouldn't bother him but can worth trying.
Mathieu: Does it matter?
Mathieu: To be honest, that's a mindset I was having sometimes.
Mathieu: And then we can pass, like the full week will pass, no feedback, and it will come back.
Mathieu: It's like, so I was wondering, like, should we at least try?
Mathieu: I mean, you can always say no, and we I'm not available, we reschedule, but we did the work.
Nik: Yeah, okay.
Nik: That makes sense.
Mathieu: You know?
Nik: Yeah, totally, totally.
Nik: Let's do that.
Nik: Uh do you want to discuss?
Mathieu: Because even even if he was in SF in Monday, I think he was active a little bit.
Mathieu: So yesterday and Mardi, uh, like the last two day he was not.
Nik: Okay.
Mathieu: We never know.
Mathieu: Because I I was like, okay, there is two ways to get feedback
Mathieu: from Max if we want to improve ourselves was like the tag, but the tag is what everybody is doing, doesn't really work, right?
Mathieu: And it gives us a clear signal again that we should really treat him as a client.
Mathieu: So if we don't have feedback, what we tag again or we prepare a meeting.
Mathieu: Um and we say this is the point that we are going to to do in the meeting.
Mathieu: We need uh a feedback on this, this, this, this.
Nik: Actually, there is there's probably a better yeah, yeah, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.
Mathieu: And not l no, no, no, no, but um yeah, you you I think you understand the the thing.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: That's what I I was like, should we try?
Nik: Definitely.
Nik: I think it's always worth trying and yeah, I think it makes sense.
Nik: But I I'm trying to find his schedule right now and maybe s try to schedule a meeting with him.
Nik: Oh, it looks like so so today he has uh like at least on cal.com I am looking at his calendar and uh it says that today or tomorrow he doesn't have any time available.
Mathieu: This one.
Nik: So basically the entire day is busy.
Nik: But on Monday he has time.
Nik: I could schedule a meeting on Monday.
Nik: I mean either I I'm gonna schedule it either way because I'm gonna need to talk like kind of align with him on what we've been doing anyways.
Nik: Basically do a check-in.
Nik: So I guess maybe I can also add you to that meeting.
Mathieu: Yeah, would be nice.
Nik: Yeah, and so Monday we have 11:30, 12 p.m., 1 p.m., 3:30 p.m.
Nik: What time works best for you?
Nik: I'm guessing anything before
Mathieu: Uh the the first the first rot I see on his
Mathieu: calendar, uh you took uh twenty five or fifty.
Mathieu: Well, it's the same.
Mathieu: The first slot on twenty five is ten thirty AM or well, and it's just uh half an hour after the internal AI um meeting.
Nik: Yep, yep, yep.
Mathieu: So maybe eleven, like the the slot just after.
Nik: Oh, okay, so for me it's twelve p.m., 11:30 a.m.
Nik: because I'm uh looking at the Montreal time zone zone.
Nik: Um but yeah, it's it's the same.
Mathieu: Okay, okay, l let me put uh Montreal then uh Max have a tendency Max have a tendency to talk a lot also, a little bit the same as me sometimes.
Nik: So yeah, 11 11 a.m.
Nik: in in in your time.
Nik: Uh and let's do fifteen.
Nik: Oh, fifteen minutes is not gonna work for eleven a.m.
Nik: But I I don't know if tw 25 minutes is gonna be enough.
Nik: What do you think?
Nik: I feel like there's gonna be like uh-huh.
Mathieu: Maybe we can drive the meeting in another way, like we keeping on track, not let him uh talk on a lot of other things.
Mathieu: I don't know, like this is the plan.
Mathieu: Tell us like uh in a concise way, are we good or not?
Mathieu: What's still missing in your point of view?
Mathieu: Okay, done, and and we go over the subject, you know.
Mathieu: But maybe twenty-five is not enough.
Nik: Yeah, so so what I think is maybe we can set up a I feel like it's better to kind of reverse it, maybe have like a longer meeting at the beginning of the week and then have shorter check-ins during the week.
Mathieu: M maybe it's better to have multiple twenty-five during a week than one big uh fifty.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: So I suggest maybe so how are you looking
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: at For you, it would be 10:30 a.m.
Nik: I know that we have a meeting with the internal AI team at 10 in your time, right?
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: But we can like squeeze it in 30 minutes and then have like a 50-minute meeting with Max at 10:30.
Mathieu: We will shut it.
Mathieu: Yeah.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: All right, sounds good.
Nik: Let me let me just add you.
Nik: So, Nikita Matico.
Nik: And then my come uh-huh is it mat matu at monadical.com?
Nik: Is that your email?
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Okay, perfect.
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Yep, it's scheduled.
Nik: You should have received an email.
Nik: Let's see if Let's see if Max is gonna actually gonna be available at that time because uh last time I scheduled a meeting with him and he was like, Oh, uh actually I have a mid medical appointment and so uh you scheduled the meeting before I blocked that slot.
Mathieu: Um Yeah.
Nik: Uh so we can reschedule.
Nik: So we we might need to reschedule either way.
Nik: So yeah.
Nik: Uh we'll see.
Nik: But that's fine.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: Um Yeah.
Nik: Do you did you wanna talk a bit uh more on direction?
Mathieu: That's good.
Mathieu: Um yeah like how you feel mo mostly about that.
Mathieu: Ha how you feel about handling this part.
Nik: I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty confident so far.
Nik: I think the biggest thing that uh that is my the the biggest uncertainty for me right now is The personal CRM thing plus hotness.
Nik: So, like, how do we coordinate the implementation?
Nik: Right now, I'm just like sticking to the back off approach.
Nik: So, we're gonna come up with some sort of a proposal.
Nik: We also want to be able to iterate quickly.
Nik: So, we have to have some data set for hotness.
Nik: For personal CRM, it's just gonna be like the first step would be
Nik: to move.
Nik: Or like copy Max's personal CRM into one repo, integrate contact DB, search index, data index, stuff like that.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: It's pretty straightforward.
Nik: There is none no need to like Yeah, yeah, that's what he's doing right now.
Mathieu: Is that what Jose is doing?
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Mathieu: Okay, okay.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Uh that's so he started working on that uh after that meeting we had.
Nik: I think yesterday.
Mathieu: Okay, okay, okay.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: And then Juan is going to start working on hotness specifically for ContactDB.
Nik: And I gave him some context on the business value and how we should approach this.
Nik: And I also wrote a document to that.
Nik: But I feel like we also need to have some sort of a data set for us to iterate on.
Nik: And for that, we need Macs so we can.
Nik: Retrieve that data set from his contacts because we're optimizing for that user.
Mathieu: Okay.
Nik: So that's the plan so far.
Mathieu: I think we're good on that.
Mathieu: To be honest, it was like, then what should I focus?
Mathieu: Because you say our security is done.
Mathieu: I'm like, mm then I wonder if Because the same is uh Max have a tendency to put everything as business value, but then when some stuff is not yet done, he doesn't understand why.
Mathieu: Uh so you work right now on like the user story of the person on CRMs, uh hotness, uh HANA.
Mathieu: Uh Miral isn't clear.
Nik: And there is also oh yeah, so uh so one second.
Nik: So Sergei is working on the reflector thing that we talked about before, where it's like action items being sent.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Yep.
Nik: Uh he should have some demo today.
Nik: Um for um so I also asked you to like maybe write
Nik: a script that would retrieve like a JSON of I don't know.
Mathieu: It's it's it's ongoing, yep.
Nik: Okay, okay, perfect.
Nik: Because this is going to be needed for hotness as well.
Mathieu: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, on that, on that, on that, on that.
Mathieu: ContactDB and data index are separated.
Mathieu: Why are we not trying to put it together?
Mathieu: Why?
Mathieu: I'm saying that because there is a deep like contact DB as before was easier to iterate, you know, when you didn't know exactly how to go.
Mathieu: But the strong correlation there is on both is I feel like the hotness is part of ContactDB, but requires so much of data index that it's a lot of an API call just to try to gather the stuff.
Mathieu: So I was always wondering like before, like the hotness is not working today because data index send tracking information to ContactDB, but when you reset the initiative, it will start again to send tracking information from ContactDB.
Mathieu: ContactDB doesn't know like all of the sudden.
Mathieu: A wall set of data is gone, okay?
Mathieu: So the interaction will be doubled, et cetera.
Mathieu: I thought, and I was having a ticket to move the calculation of the tracking, like having stats sent by data index.
Mathieu: You say, give me the stat of this conta
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ct, and from the perspective of data index, you get it.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Now you think about the oddness.
Mathieu: When I see the script and all the API call, like, hey, you want all the thread of all the conversation about a person.
Mathieu: Well, you can have the conversation that contains a person, but you don't have the message per se.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: And maybe you send one message, the other send a thousand.
Mathieu: Does it mean you have a good interaction on this
Mathieu: thread?
Mathieu: No, because on Zulip you can be maybe send one message on a thread conversation and like on a reflector, like do one time.
Mathieu: Igor and Sergei and me, we post a lot, doesn't mean we are close to it, you know?
Mathieu: So there is some kind of heuristic here also to do like, hey, this is a conversation I'm actively interacting with the person or not.
Mathieu: So that's why also here, when you ask me, extract the conversation where, you know, like that can be valuable, right now I do.
Mathieu: I target all the thread conversations that have the person.
Mathieu: If I have the person in the conversation and I have it, it means I'm also on it, you know, it's like it's kind of implied because otherwise I would have not seen it on my data index.
Mathieu: But anyway, and then on this thread, I extract all the message.
Mathieu: So the stuff is going to be big.
Mathieu: This is going to be the data sets for a person.
Mathieu: Maybe we are, I don't know.
Mathieu: You didn't really give me like one year, two years of data, and I'm like in the head of Max.
Mathieu: How far should we go?
Mathieu: It's unclear.
Mathieu: But that's it.
Mathieu: And I'm like, if tomorrow we want to calculate the hotness, API call is not going to work.
Mathieu: Maybe you want such some specific query that either we go data index.
Mathieu: And I think it's also completely against the approach that Max was wanted, have an easy function that you can start to fiddle out.
Mathieu: But if you fiddle and you have the API call, Already today is like, give me a simple query interface.
Mathieu: I heard it in the transcript.
Mathieu: He never even checked because the query is simple.
Mathieu: Like you can
Mathieu: do a lot of stuff, but it's just a matter of understanding the data model and how you can do out of it.
Mathieu: And there will be limitation of the query.
Mathieu: You cannot do join, you can not do this kind of stuff between all the data.
Mathieu: So I'm a little bit there.
Mathieu: Let's try to see where the odness is going.
Mathieu: But is hotness calculation should be done from data index because it's mostly related to data?
Mathieu: Or should it be done in contact DB but with API code and is going to be held?
Mathieu: That's it.
Mathieu: So technically, there is some uh like kind of a choice there.
Nik: But I feel like hotness is also determined by the contact itself, like the information that we have on that contact, right?
Mathieu: Just Okay, if you remove data index, what what else do you take from the contact information?
Nik: So, like, it's not just the threads, it's not just conversations.
Nik: I mean, conversations are important, and probably like.
Nik: One of the more important pieces, but yeah, I was thinking, you know, like at least job title, employer, stuff like that, like the headline of the person from LinkedIn, like basically the Apollo enrichment information.
Nik: Because that, like, if a person, that person is like.
Nik: Some sort of an investor should contribute to hotness to some extent, at least, right?
Nik: Or, like, you know, the caliber of the person should probably contribute.
Mathieu: Maybe Mhm Yeah.
Nik: But of course, I think the main component we're missing.
Nik: So, here's how, like, I think the data set is good and stuff, right?
Nik: But I feel like we might be missing one of the main components for calculating hotness, which is projects.
Nik: Remember how in the personal CRM we had projects and that would contribute
Nik: to hotness?
Nik: And Yeah.
Mathieu: Exactly what I was telling you since the beginning is like to me optness is not relevant as a global metrics.
Mathieu: It feels like depending on the project, the prospect or the people you need to talk is going to be different and therefore calculation might have different that's why I was having the stuff of the LLM tags is basically it is like something is calculated through an LLM by giving a context and therefore if even you have a project or something is going to come up with a different score.
Mathieu: Uh so this is why I still have the sensation that the general oddness is not going to work.
Mathieu: And if it's one per project, therefore, is it something that should be stored in contact DB?
Mathieu: I think there is still an oddness required when we just go and see your contact list without project.
Mathieu: You see your contact, that is one hotness.
Mathieu: And the one in project, like what are the more relevant people that I can add to my project?
Mathieu: It feels like it's Something else can be called a nest button.
Nik: Yeah, I feel like we we don't only have hotness.
Nik: The s the thing about hotness is like it's not just I feel like it's several components, right?
Nik: So if we go look at the POC that we were writing down and uh a fine, a thin, uh we can see that like we actually have several things.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: So first of all, daily digest.
Nik: Do we incorporate hotness in there?
Nik: We like what contacts do we surface there?
Nik: How do we decide whether to surface specific contacts?
Nik: And how do we get the labels based on like follow-up needed, life event, and so on and so forth?
Nik: Right.
Nik: So, the second part that is a bit unclear to me is like email threads or just threads in general, right?
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: Like, we do have threads like on Zulip everywhere, but We also want to somehow classify those threads as to whether a thread needs your reply or not, or whether it's waiting for a reply and also like waiting for a reply versus huh?
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: Yep.
Mathieu: That's a daily digest is already done.
Mathieu: It's already done in the daily digest.
Mathieu: There is some sort of classification on threats, on conversation and threat conversation.
Nik: Yeah, but okay, but is it how do I say?
Nik: Well, first of all, does it work well?
Nik: That's one of the main questions.
Nik: We haven't validated that yet.
Mathieu: No, Anna, I have some uh issue because uh she show me one of the problem is when uh I I target the thread conversation, you own it and require message from you, but sometimes because the thread is also taking like the last fifty message out of the thread, sometimes a thread is popping up because it it has been revived like three months without nothing and all of the sudden somebody sends a message on it, like paying a person.
Mathieu: And the algorithm will see actually the message before three months ago and might pick up this kind of message and say, Hey, you didn't answer before, which is wrong.
Mathieu: So prompt, I think more iteration is required on that.
Mathieu: And again, having a data set at it has been done fast.
Mathieu: There is no data set, no evaluation on this part.
Mathieu: So yes, agree.
Mathieu: This needs to be rebooted, but at least there is a base.
Mathieu: I mean we can come up with something a little bit uh working.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Nik: yeah.
Nik: I I I agree.
Nik: Um, so okay, I I guess like we can assume at least that we have threads.
Nik: For now, Jose is not gonna focus focus on threads because we don't know if this works or not.
Nik: We're not even gonna like include that tab yet in the MVP.
Mathieu: Do do you think Ros�� should actually implement all of this?
Mathieu: Or as soon as we have a start of the monoripo, we can say, okay, You are in charge of the thread part, you are in charge of the uh like m somebody can be responsible of a part uh of the application because it's it's like there is so many algorithm and stuff inside that put everything on one person that might be a little bit complicated.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mathieu: Especially that Rosis so far didn't work on any kind of heuristic or analysis.
Mathieu: It will be completely new on this part.
Nik: Okay.
Nik: Well, so so it's not Jose who's going to be working on hotness.
Nik: That's the thing.
Mathieu: Yeah, it's one David.
Nik: Yeah, it's Juan.
Mathieu: Uh one, sorry.
Mathieu: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's just like it's one part of the whole personal CRM, right?
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: That's that's true.
Nik: That's true.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: I feel like So now I'm like considering a different thing completely because you're you're also asking like, oh, um what should I do?
Nik: And I feel like you have m significantly more context on hotness.
Nik: Could you like try to give it a go?
Mathieu: So my I think Juan might be good on that because I'm not good at algorithmy and heuristic and this kind of stuff.
Mathieu: Like mathematically wise, it's not my forte and I can spend a lot of time like that.
Mathieu: Juan, I saw him
Mathieu: doing an AI bot for a game in like Alpha Day and I was completely amazed.
Mathieu: He's like a beast.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: So I feel like he might tackle this part much better.
Mathieu: On me, it's more on the architecture.
Mathieu: saying like, hey, this data flow or this approach doesn't seem uh really good and we should do this part.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: That is uh where I I feel more comf not comfortable, I feel more accurate, let's say.
Mathieu: What I was like the security part that was still uh when you say it's uh done uh so far, I feel like on the company there is still some issue, like you you saw the the report of the DevOps?
Mathieu: So when there was a RCE, uh I asked Henriel to run a Trivi on a Codify.
Mathieu: He needed like almost like more than 400 critical issues on the server.
Mathieu: So didn't
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discuss yet with him how we are going to remediate it, but maybe he need a hand on this part.
Mathieu: The second part is I was f I think I share.
Mathieu: On the Docker level, we have some habits.
Mathieu: You did good with the meeting prep by at least adding a user in the Docker file for the production, but none of the other Docker or even applications, not even reflector, have this kind of remediation.
Mathieu: The other part is when we construct a Docker, everything is writable by default if we are root.
Mathieu: And if you are on a firmware, like on a router, you cannot write anywhere, only in slash TMP, and the TMP is not having the executable bits, so you cannot even execute if you can write, meaning all the RCE stuff could have been avoided completely if we were having good security practice.
Mathieu: That's where
Mathieu: I'm I'm like, okay, if we want to raise our stuff, I see two paths, uh actually three paths.
Mathieu: One is I want to experiment on the proxy and procedure.
Mathieu: Because it has been many times nice if somebody should look at that, Barbara.
Mathieu: I don't know what Procedure is giving us as an output.
Mathieu: I don't know how good it is.
Mathieu: And maybe just having a an on taking a little bit of time to have an understanding of what is the limitation of Procedure or is it good?
Mathieu: Maybe just ah, it's so good, we can just d put it into internal AI, we can put it in the company, that will be will raise the security because We have some alert if some stuff is going out.
Mathieu: Right now we we are blind if we have uh leaks.
Mathieu: That is one.
Mathieu: The second is like aiming from the Docker file.
Mathieu: Uh like uh and and do a tech toll or something like the oh one password tree I still didn't share to any to anybody on the team.
Mathieu: Like we should use it.
Mathieu: Uh what is the the right approach and like maybe a A Docker file with add a lint that check that your Docker is actually correctly secured or not.
Mathieu: Um and the fir the first I started a presentation, maybe I should share it to you.
Mathieu: I think the presentation would be nice to to show to Max, but I feel like I'm aiming there because I'm I'm the technical one and he wants the other side something to sh show to the people.
Mathieu: And the first one, the presentation, is too technique like, hey, this is the Docker network, this is how it communicates, this is what we protect.
Mathieu: There is nothing visible,
Mathieu: it's just a matter of good practice.
Mathieu: You know.
Mathieu: So that's where the other part with the squid is something visible that we can show.
Nik: So here's why I think here's why I said like, oh, you're down with security for now, is because we still gotta validate this with Max and make sure that like this is kind of what he wanted in terms of the UX and then maybe we can continue on the security.
Mathieu: And I think if we have procedure, we can show also.
Nik: I feel like the presentation is good still.
Nik: I think maybe we should keep it and maybe have like two aspects of the presentation like or like two versions or whatever where It's more technical for Max and something more businessy for other people, like where we just avoid showing some of the slides, just gonna kind of go high level.
Mathieu: Mm-hmm.
Nik: That could be good.
Nik: But yeah, I think like for security, maybe we shouldn't dive too deep into this because maybe this is already good enough.
Nik: Or like, or do you think?
Nik: Okay, so I'm gonna like ask you this: do you think?
Nik: Like, you worked with Max significantly more than I have.
Nik: So, like, what do you think would his response be?
Mathieu: I think in the security we don't tackle anything.
Mathieu: One thing he's afraid is like he's afraid some data from him is going out and it was something he didn't ask or allowed.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: If we take this, the squid proxy is not enough because we don't see the component.
Mathieu: We just see there was a connection somewhere.
Mathieu: We don't even know if it's a get or a post.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: So you don't know the URL, you don't know the service, you don't know anything, just the
Mathieu: domain.
Mathieu: It's one step, but I don't think it's enough in the head of Max.
Mathieu: The second, even if you have the the request, you don't know if actually something uh it took a lot of time, like he want to be able to use big models, but uh depending of the sec uh of the privacy level there is, uh we should use local model uh and he wanted an automated router for that.
Mathieu: Uh Miral tried to look a little bit, but n s something never came.
Mathieu: So I think on the recurrent subject is about being able to know if something private just get out.
Mathieu: Okay.
Mathieu: And we don't have anything on that.
Mathieu: We don't look about it.
Nik: Mm-hmm.
Mathieu: And the Squid proxy is not going to help at all.
Mathieu: That's where he show us procedure.
Mathieu: He told us, he gave us before some resources about people that does LLM proxy, etc.
Mathieu: We nobody has worked on this one.
Mathieu: So if it will be a user story and a business value, it's about making the user confident on the platform that nothing important is going to hit.
Mathieu: An endpoint that you should not eat.
Mathieu: And when he was saying Apollo is like, okay, it's an API call.
Mathieu: I kind of move it by, hey, it's just going to work because it's an API call.
Mathieu: We don't, there is no prompt injection, et cetera.
Mathieu: And it's a call we just do ourselves.
Mathieu: What if, for example, you take meeting prep or you take daily digest, actually, I'm the one.
Mathieu: Doing some requests to build the context that I pass to an LLM.
Mathieu: Okay, the LLM is something private that we own.
Mathieu: But if tomorrow we change the configuration or anything happen, or the wrong model is going to
Mathieu: be out and we don't have any alert.
Mathieu: So, a way to help to say we are privacy ready in a way that if anything happens, we will know.
Mathieu: And we can even try is to have a system like that already ready.
Mathieu: And that's where I feel like it's not security as let's protect on the node and MPM attack and S C V.
Mathieu: I think like this is one of the subjects the company, not just us, should be aware and how we can raise our security practice.
Nik: Yeah.
Mathieu: The other is about being okay on the platform.
Mathieu: And nobody has tried Procedio yet.
Mathieu: I know it's installed.
Mathieu: I didn't even look.
Mathieu: I don't know what we can do.
Mathieu: I don't know what it's going to do.
Mathieu: So there is a subject we need to go there to come with some.
Mathieu: We try.
Mathieu: This is what Procedio can help us.
Mathieu: We think about this proposal to integrate into the internal AI.
Mathieu: Do you think it makes sense or not, Max?
Mathieu: But we need a tiny research.
Mathieu: That's where I was aiming.
Mathieu: And I think it gets into the business value of Max.
Mathieu: Like we can show we have that fail uh how do you say we have that firewall in place, let's say, or observability in place.
Mathieu: No.
Nik: Makes sense.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: I think yeah, secure I think security is still the highest priority.
Nik: I just think like the Yeah, I'm not sure like how far we can go because with security that you can like go very deep.
Mathieu: Exactly.
Nik: Like it's it's a rabbit hole.
Nik: And like the thing is if we go w way too deep right now um will this be an overkill or with will will it not be the thing?
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: That's my main
Nik: worry.
Mathieu: I I I'm I'm not saying let's do it.
Nik: So the thing is, I know that Max asked us to build some sort of a UX that shows outgoing requests, right?
Nik: But he didn't specify the details, right?
Nik: And we did build this UX.
Nik: And I feel like, at least in my mind, it felt logical to first show it to him and see what he says and see what he like we can propose.
Nik: Some of the things to him.
Nik: But I don't know if it makes sense to like build the entire thing right away.
Nik: Yeah, I think.
Mathieu: No, no, no, no.
Mathieu: I'm not asking to build, right?
Nik: Oh, okay.
Mathieu: I'm asking to explore, to understand what procedure is, limitation.
Mathieu: And it's like you need time to then say it's a good solution that we could integrate and do and do that in addition.
Mathieu: Like maybe in the meeting on Monday, when we are going to ask him feedback, at least we're ready for this part.
Mathieu: Because I have the sensation that again, what we are going to propose might not be enough because it doesn't protect on any exfiltration of data prompting junction or whatever.
Mathieu: We have nothing.
Mathieu: So it's like in terms of the investor, you talk about a platform about aye hey, look, you can do that.
Mathieu: Yeah, but all the stuff is saying about being protecting on your data, it doesn't really protect because you're like, okay, it tried to access to, I don't know, if it will be a high-level user, it tries to access to a pypy.org.
Mathieu: I don't know, yes, because uh my stuff doesn't work.
Mathieu: You know, people is going to say yes, only Max is going to to know ah, why, and i i if if you start
Mathieu: to say the why, then the only way you need to do is going to the log on the service to try why he was doing that, you know, and you don't have any it's like the next step, you are completely in the blind.
Mathieu: So to to me, it feels nice as a protective when you know.
Mathieu: As a high user, non-technical ANA, Jordan, or whatever, I think it's wrong.
Mathieu: It's not good enough, right?
Mathieu: They are one hundred percent sure either it's like if you have a pop-up saying he tried to access to this this domain, you don't even know what or how what question will we have in their mind?
Mathieu: They will be as lost and they will ever ask us.
Nik: So So
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at that makes sense.
Nik: Yes, yes.
Nik: The second thing is uh gosh, what was it?
Nik: So, what is Michal working on right now?
Nik: Search index?
Mathieu: Uh he was working on the search index, he said on task.
Mathieu: He was working on the MCP.
Mathieu: I don't know if it's landed yet on uh on internal AI.
Mathieu: I think a sync is required.
Mathieu: We can ask uh during the the meeting, yes.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: Yeah.
Nik: So, one thing I was curious about is like, how can we attach Search index or like how can we use search index with social graph to search across say I want
Nik: to search f
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--- Occurrences of Michal ---
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The action items for Michal have been extracted from the meeting transcripts and saved to the corresponding JSON files.
### Summary of Extraction
* **`1.json`**: Two action items were identified.
1. Update contact DB ingestion to include all information (enrichment data) in the chunk.
2. Work on personal meeting summary integration with Data Index.
* **`4.json`**: One action item was identified.
1. Add contact entity to ContactDB and ingest/index contacts in Data Index for search.
* **`2.json`, `3.json`, `5.json`**: No direct action items for Michal were found in the transcripts.
### Output Files
The files `1.json` through `5.json` have been overwritten with the extracted action items in the required format.
**Example Content (`1.json`):**
```json
{
"action_items": [
{
"action_item": "Update contact DB ingestion to include all information from Contact DB in the chunk (enrichment data)",
"deadline": null
},
{
"action_item": "Work on personal meeting summary integration",
"deadline": null
}
]
}
```
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INFO 2025-12-16T23:20:20 +1ms service=lsp.client serverID=pyright shutting down
INFO 2025-12-16T23:20:20 +1ms service=lsp.client serverID=pyright shutdown
INFO 2025-12-16T23:20:20 +1ms service=state key=/app/input state disposal completed
--- Initial command finished (exit code: 0) ---
--- no_shell=true, exiting container without starting shell ---
Command execution complete. Container has exited.
Session has been cleaned up.